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Reply #50 on: June 13, 2011, 07:19:40 pm
"All the people that were rooting me on to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had before,” James said. “They have the same personal problems they had to today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want with me and my family and be happy with that.”

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It's true. The NBA has no real relevance to people's actual lives. Luckily for Lebron, folks haven't caught on to this or he might have to do something productive for a living. That wouldn't be easy with only a high school education.


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Reply #51 on: June 13, 2011, 10:34:38 pm
The Decision to air the Decision on Espn wasn't stupid.  People in Cleveland are just anal.  Hey you go be stuck in Cleveland over Miami.  Women, weather, women, low taxes, women, location, women.  Yeah, f*ck Cleveland!

An hour long "special" for something in reality that takes about 10 seconds is stupid.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #52 on: June 13, 2011, 10:39:27 pm
"All the people that were rooting me on to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had before,” James said. “They have the same personal problems they had to today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want with me and my family and be happy with that.”

- LeArod

It's true. The NBA has no real relevance to people's actual lives. Luckily for Lebron, folks haven't caught on to this or he might have to do something productive for a living. That wouldn't be easy with only a high school education.

I wonder if this will ever happen with people.  I enjoy the Panthers.  But every year it becomes more difficult for me to justify spending $100 on a single Panthers game, while the players make millions.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #53 on: June 13, 2011, 11:01:03 pm
Normmm you spend $100 to go see a Panthers game when I watch it for $0.   :)) :)) :))
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Reply #54 on: June 14, 2011, 06:38:26 am
Normmm you spend $100 to go see a Panthers game when I watch it for $0.   :)) :)) :))


There's nothing like being around 50-60k people and seeing the game live in person (especially if the team is doing well).  That's something you will never get in the recliner at home.


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Reply #55 on: June 14, 2011, 08:01:48 am
Normmm you spend $100 to go see a Panthers game when I watch it for $0.   :)) :)) :))


There's nothing like being around 50-60k people and seeing the game live in person (especially if the team is doing well).  That's something you will never get in the recliner at home.

So true - but the question is what is the value in seeing the game live?  $100? $200? $500?  There is a tipping point for the average fan where they say it isn't worth it.  At some point the fans just quit coming - particularly if the product on the field isn't winning.  It happens to all sports, but the NFL has stayed fairly immune due to the low number of games, but it won't be like that forever.
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Reply #56 on: June 14, 2011, 08:07:12 am
Normmm you spend $100 to go see a Panthers game when I watch it for $0.   :)) :)) :))

Just remember that you get to watch it for free because of people like Normm who actually buy the tickets.  If they don't purchase the tickets, you don't get to see the game because it would be blacked out.
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Reply #57 on: June 14, 2011, 08:47:35 am
If Normmm not going results in a blackout...I beg you to please stay home.


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Reply #58 on: June 14, 2011, 09:14:26 am
Normmm you spend $100 to go see a Panthers game when I watch it for $0.   :)) :)) :))


There's nothing like being around 50-60k people and seeing the game live in person (especially if the team is doing well).  That's something you will never get in the recliner at home.


Yea but SCK can't fap with 50-60k people around him.


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Reply #59 on: June 14, 2011, 12:04:32 pm
Normmm you spend $100 to go see a Panthers game when I watch it for $0.   :)) :)) :))


There's nothing like being around 50-60k people and seeing the game live in person (especially if the team is doing well).  That's something you will never get in the recliner at home.

So true - but the question is what is the value in seeing the game live?  $100? $200? $500?  There is a tipping point for the average fan where they say it isn't worth it.  At some point the fans just quit coming - particularly if the product on the field isn't winning.  It happens to all sports, but the NFL has stayed fairly immune due to the low number of games, but it won't be like that forever.

That's what I'm getting at.  I wonder if we will ever see the tipping point.  It seems like we would.  But it could just be that we are becoming old and crotchety.   :D   I am positive that the NFL expanding their season is something that everybody is against, except the owners.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #60 on: June 14, 2011, 12:12:08 pm
I've pretty much decided I will watch from tv from now on.  I usually went to 2 or so games a year but when someone asked me if I wanted to go to a preseason game last year that was gonna cost $60-75 just for the ticket I decided it wasn't worth the cost anymore.  I know it's not watching with 60k in attendance but you can still get a decent atmosphere at some of the local bars around town.


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Reply #61 on: June 14, 2011, 12:51:06 pm
I've pretty much decided I will watch from tv from now on.  I usually went to 2 or so games a year but when someone asked me if I wanted to go to a preseason game last year that was gonna cost $60-75 just for the ticket I decided it wasn't worth the cost anymore.  I know it's not watching with 60k in attendance but you can still get a decent atmosphere at some of the local bars around town.

Same here.  I may try to one day go see my favorite NFL team play in person when my son is old enough to appreciate going, but the price for the trip alone to see one game will cost more than the price for a full season of NFL Sunday Ticket. 
 
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I am positive that the NFL expanding their season is something that everybody is against, except the owners.

I disagree there, Normm.  The season ticket holders were the main drive to start the 18-game schedule.  The reason is, the owners are already charging them regular prices for preseason games.  The fans were asking, "if I have to pay a regular season price, why am I not getting a regular season game"?  If I was spending $1000 a pop on a season ticket, I would be wanting the additional "real" home game too.
 
 
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Reply #62 on: June 14, 2011, 01:07:51 pm
Back on topic...

Bill Simmons nails it in this article a few times, but the one I like best is why everyone rooted for the Heat to lose.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary
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Reply #63 on: June 14, 2011, 01:48:29 pm
Back on topic...

Bill Simmons nails it in this article a few times, but the one I like best is why everyone rooted for the Heat to lose.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary


Yea, read this yesterday evening and couldn't agree more.


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Reply #64 on: June 14, 2011, 03:14:16 pm
Back on topic...

Bill Simmons nails it in this article a few times, but the one I like best is why everyone rooted for the Heat to lose.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6657623/nba-finals-game-6-retro-diary
really, really good take on it
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Reply #65 on: June 15, 2011, 12:17:47 pm
I'd like to add a possible Theory C, and I know CharSF will appreciate this  :) , an officiating bias.  I think it's plausible to think that all of sudden Lebron was not getting the calls in the finals that he was previously getting, and he didn't know what to do with that happening.  Yes Dallas was zoning them more than most teams.  And yes, maybe Lebron was less aggressive with taking the ball to the goal.

But check these #s out.

Lebron FT attempts in the playoffs:
Phi = 10 pg
Bos = 8 pg
Chi = 9 pg
Dal = 3 pg

Dirk FT attempts:
Mia = 8 pg

Regular Season:
James = 8.4 pg (5th most in the league)
Nowitki = 6.1 pg (13th)

Lebron's 2 FT attempts in Game 1 vs the Mavs was his lowest amount in 27 games, going all the way back to 3/19/11, and for the season.  Then consider he only had 2 FT attempts again in Game 5.

In contrast, Dirk's 24 attempts in Game 1 vs OKC was his highest output of the season.  His previous highest output was only 16.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #66 on: June 15, 2011, 01:17:18 pm
I wouldn't call it a bias.  Everyone said it... he stopped attacking, especially in the fourth quarter, and even when he attacked it just wasn't the same that everyone is used to with him.  It's one thing if he was getting hammered and getting no calls, but it wasn't that.  It also doesn't help that he (and Wade) whine like nobody's business after every call (they're not alone), so at most the bias was the refs not giving the touch calls anymore, many of those calls they were getting in the Chicago and Boston series (much to my dismay as a Bulls fan b/c Rose did not receive the same treatment, and many calls were ticky tack bullshit).


His nuts sucked up into his abdomen, plain and simple.  Sometimes you have to fail to succeed, only time will tell with him.  Like Simmons says in that piece, he essentially gets more hate b/c he is so hyped (both by his ownself and others) and he doesn't produce, and it's insulting to your sports fandom.


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Reply #67 on: June 15, 2011, 04:52:50 pm
I'd like to add a possible Theory C, and I know CharSF will appreciate this  :) , an officiating bias.  I think it's plausible to think that all of sudden Lebron was not getting the calls in the finals that he was previously getting, and he didn't know what to do with that happening.  Yes Dallas was zoning them more than most teams.  And yes, maybe Lebron was less aggressive with taking the ball to the goal.

But check these #s out.

Lebron FT attempts in the playoffs:
Phi = 10 pg
Bos = 8 pg
Chi = 9 pg
Dal = 3 pg

Dirk FT attempts:
Mia = 8 pg

Regular Season:
James = 8.4 pg (5th most in the league)
Nowitki = 6.1 pg (13th)

Lebron's 2 FT attempts in Game 1 vs the Mavs was his lowest amount in 27 games, going all the way back to 3/19/11, and for the season.  Then consider he only had 2 FT attempts again in Game 5.

In contrast, Dirk's 24 attempts in Game 1 vs OKC was his highest output of the season.  His previous highest output was only 16.

Plain and simple, you don't get to the line taking jump shots.

The difference between the other series and this one other than Dallas using a zone at times, was that Lebron was missing his long jump shots versus Dallas, whereas he was hitting them all in the previous 2 series.  This allowed the Mavs to defend him differently and IMO forced him to settle for jump shots.
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Reply #68 on: June 16, 2011, 10:38:32 pm
Yeah, I definitely think Lebron was less aggressive.  But that's why I added an additional theory.  Maybe the fact that he only got 2 ft attempts in game 1 led him to being less aggressive the rest of the series.

But don't get me wrong, Dirk out played everybody in the playoffs and the Mavs deserved the championship.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #69 on: June 16, 2011, 10:42:24 pm
Yeah, I definitely think Lebron was less aggressive.  But that's why I added an additional theory.  Maybe the fact that he only got 2 ft attempts in game 1 led him to being less aggressive the rest of the series.

But don't get me wrong, Dirk out played everybody in the playoffs and the Mavs deserved the championship.
Maybe it's not just people being on Dirk's nuts, but I didn't see this. I saw the Mavs win despite a struggling Dirk. I didn't watch every game. Maybe I only saw the games that Dirk struggled in.

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Reply #70 on: June 17, 2011, 11:50:59 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/bycategory?cat=Fielding&sort=25&qualified=1&conference=NBA&year=postseason_2010


http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/john_schuhmann/06/08/game4-notes/index.html

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4679701/dirks-getting-it-done-at-free-throw-line

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30259/nowitzki-mavs-are-too-clutch-for-heat


Not sure what you were watching Bust.  He shot 94% from the FT line in the playoffs, with his % improving in every series.
89% vs Portland
94% vs LAL
97% vs OKC
98% vs Miami

He had the 4th highest ave of points in the 4th quarter(10 points) behind only Shaq and Jordan.

He shot 62% in the 4th quarter of the finals, making more FGs than Wade and James combined.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #71 on: June 17, 2011, 01:19:03 pm
He shot 62% in the 4th quarter of the finals, making more FGs than Wade and James combined.

Saying he made more fg than Wade would have sufficed.


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Reply #72 on: June 17, 2011, 01:20:51 pm
Not sure what you were watching Bust.  He shot 94% from the FT line in the playoffs, with his % improving in every series.

He had the 4th highest ave of points in the 4th quarter(10 points) behind only Shaq and Jordan.

He shot 62% in the 4th quarter of the finals, making more FGs than Wade and James combined.
Probably two of the three games I really watched. Can't remember the other one, but in game six he struggled up until the 4th. During a game I'm not usually going to determine if a player is struggling or not based on FTs.

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Reply #73 on: June 17, 2011, 01:28:24 pm
He shot 62% in the 4th quarter of the finals, making more FGs than Wade and James combined.

Saying he made more fg than Wade would have sufficed.


LULZ... between this and the construction cam/seatback trolling this guy is becoming one of my favorites.


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Reply #74 on: June 17, 2011, 05:21:05 pm
Mavericks would win because heat did bad and I'm niner89 son :))
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