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on: June 24, 2011, 11:20:21 am
I give them a solid A.  I love the two picks and getting cash for that second round pick was a solid move.


What do you guys think?
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Reply #1 on: June 24, 2011, 11:28:06 am
They are inept.
 
Weak draft so they get a little break.
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Reply #2 on: June 24, 2011, 11:34:52 am
I think it was a good move. It's about time they realized that they weren't going anywhere with that core group. Might as well blow it up and start again. Better get it right this time or they'll be the Las Vegas Bobcats.
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Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 11:36:21 am
Exciting picks. Walker is awesome and this Boyombo character is a freak.  Jamie Skeen ought to be the final piece of the puzzle.

 
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Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 11:52:17 am
Getting 2 guys in the top 9 is great.  But in this draft IDK.  I was originally a fan of Kemba, so I like that pick.  But who knows with Biyombo.  If he turns into Ibaka then it will be a great pick.  If he turns into Yinka Dare....

They really need things to fall into place next year and be able to land a franchise player in the draft like a Durant, James or Howard.  Is there a guy like that out there?  IDK.  Is Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis or Jared Sullinger that type of player?  IDK

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 12:07:06 pm
Next year's draft is loaded, so the Cats should and will have a very high pick next season. I like the Kemba pick, but would of preferred them to take Leonard with pick seven. Leonard has a chance to be a Gerald Wallace type player. Either way, pretty good draft overall.
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Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 12:15:26 pm
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Reply #7 on: June 24, 2011, 12:37:39 pm
Next year's draft is loaded, so the Cats should and will have a very high pick next season. I like the Kemba pick, but would of preferred them to take Leonard with pick seven. Leonard has a chance to be a Gerald Wallace type player. Either way, pretty good draft overall.

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Reply #8 on: June 24, 2011, 12:55:46 pm
I think Kemba Walker is a great pick. The kid is just a winner.


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Reply #9 on: June 24, 2011, 02:35:30 pm
Next year's draft is loaded, so the Cats should and will have a very high pick next season. I like the Kemba pick, but would of preferred them to take Leonard with pick seven. Leonard has a chance to be a Gerald Wallace type player. Either way, pretty good draft overall.
I agree with this. The Biyombo pick is extremely risky. The Walker pick is pretty much the opposite, hard to go wrong with a guy that just led his team to a conference and then national championship in college.

Surprised Leonard went as low as he did, and that Richmond's Justin Harper didn't sneak into the first round, though I haven't been following the draft prep much. Harper is just an unbelievable shooter, but maybe he needs more strength for defense.


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Reply #10 on: June 24, 2011, 02:57:54 pm
making way for CP3

Not sure what to think of this.  If the Bobcats get Paul, I believe it wouldn't be until the 2012-13 season.  At that point I think/hope they'd be just as well off with Kemba.  Paul had his lowest PPG this season.  I guess Kemba will have 1 season to prove whether he'll be the PG of the future or not.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


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Reply #11 on: June 24, 2011, 04:22:10 pm
It's an A if Biyombo works out, if not C+.  I think Kemba has a chance to be a really good player in the league.  He was a pass first PG coming out of HS and the knock was he needed to work on his scoring, so I doubt passing is lost on him.  Even with his size he has the strength to take on defenders, and take contact.  Also has a sick crossover.


I don't get it, Paul's not coming here.  Let someone else overpay for him.


9erken, Harper is a good shooter but nothing much else (in the NBA).  The guy is 6'10", 220 lbs.  He has 8" and 10 lbs on me.


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Reply #12 on: June 24, 2011, 06:38:17 pm
Bobcat draft picks are without meaning. Any player worth a damn will be in Charlotte only until Michael Jordan finds another team to pay the player what he is worth. I have to hand it to Jordan, though, he did win a championship this past season-- for Dallas.
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Reply #13 on: June 24, 2011, 08:26:38 pm
I don't really think that's fair. MJ has not done a very good job as an executive/owner, but I don't really think you can call him cheap.

When he became part owner in 2006, he was in charge of basketball operations. During that time, he signed Emeke Okafor to a huge deal ($72 million), signed Gerald Wallace to a huge deal ($50+ million), traded for Jason Richardson when he was under contract for $10+ million for multiple years, traded for Stephen Jackson when he was making somewhere around $10 million for multiple years.

These were not great moves, but the point is he was not cheap. The real problem was he spent too much money on the wrong guys, and the team was handcuffed by the salary cap. He's dumped a ton of salary in the last year or so, but that's what he needs to do. As much as I like Wallace and Jackson, they are getting past their prime, and this team would never be any more then 7-10th place team with those two as the main pieces. Tyson Chandler trade looks bad in hindsight, but at the time he looked like a player in decline; he missed a big part of the season for two straight years, and averaged 6 points a game with the Bobcats. Also, with that Dallas roster he is able to be a different kind of player (it's much easier when you are playing with guys like Dirk, Terry, Kid, Marion, and Barea over guys like Borris Diaw, Larry Hughes, and DJ Augustine). I will say they should have re signed Felton for the same deal the Knicks did.

I give Jordan credit because it finally looks like he might be looking toward the long term. He finally hired a real GM, they are finally clearing out the mistakes of the past, and they are going young instead of bringing in a bunch of short-term solutions that kill the team in the long-term. We will have tons of salary cap space in 2 years, we already have some nice young pieces, and we are setting up to have a very nice pick next year in a very loaded draft.
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Reply #14 on: June 24, 2011, 08:51:25 pm

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Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 09:07:28 pm
I like the direction they are going, the boarderline 8 seed thing with Wallace and Jackson was never going to amount to anything.  It's hard to get excited about the moves last night, but the draft was crap, if Biyombo ends up being an upper level defender and Walker gives them something, it will end up being a good draft.  Hopefully they are in position to land the franchise player they have never had in next year's draft and these two guys fit nicely alongside him.

Also, hard to blame them for taking $2 mil for Tyler, but the fact that somebody was willing to pay that much shows how much upside he has.  He probably would have been a top 10 pick if he had stayed in the US and continued dominating guys his age.  That could come back to hurt, since they are in a rebuilding mode there didn't seem to be much downside to keeping him around and letting him learn.


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Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 09:22:50 pm
I don't follow the NBA much at all, but I thought the book on the Bobcats was they needed a big man and a shooter?
 
The African guy sounds like a risk, though with good potential (still 6'7, really? Even with a big wingspan, that seems small for a post in the NBA)
 
Walker is a winner, but he cant shoot. Woulda been nice for Brandon Knight to fall one more spot.
 
 


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Reply #17 on: June 25, 2011, 12:06:08 am

The African guy sounds like a risk, though with good potential (still 6'7, really? Even with a big wingspan, that seems small for a post in the NBA)


I'm not sure where you are seeing that, because Biyombo is a legit 6'9".
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Reply #18 on: June 25, 2011, 12:11:14 am
Next year's draft is loaded, so the Cats should and will have a very high pick next season. I like the Kemba pick, but would of preferred them to take Leonard with pick seven. Leonard has a chance to be a Gerald Wallace type player. Either way, pretty good draft overall.

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Reply #19 on: June 25, 2011, 04:04:54 pm
Surprised Leonard went as low as he did, and that Richmond's Justin Harper didn't sneak into the first round, though I haven't been following the draft prep much. Harper is just an unbelievable shooter, but maybe he needs more strength for defense.
Surprised to see Harper not taken in first round as well, but Orlando must have really wanted him to have traded a couple of future picks to Cleveland to make him a Magic man!
 
 


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Reply #20 on: June 25, 2011, 11:17:52 pm
Surprised Leonard went as low as he did, and that Richmond's Justin Harper didn't sneak into the first round, though I haven't been following the draft prep much. Harper is just an unbelievable shooter, but maybe he needs more strength for defense.
Surprised to see Harper not taken in first round as well, but Orlando must have really wanted him to have traded a couple of future picks to Cleveland to make him a Magic man!
Orlando would trade their next 20 first round picks if they thought it would help convince Howard to re-sign.  The GM is an idiot, he set them up for the same position Cleveland was in, a bunch of overpaid, under-performing veterans are not what a young superstar on the verge of free agency wants.


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Reply #21 on: June 26, 2011, 01:44:12 am

The African guy sounds like a risk, though with good potential (still 6'7, really? Even with a big wingspan, that seems small for a post in the NBA)


I'm not sure where you are seeing that, because Biyombo is a legit 6'9".
ESPN draft team said he was 6'7 in his socks. Said it to his face in an interview and he confirmed.


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Reply #22 on: June 26, 2011, 04:00:47 pm
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Reply #23 on: June 26, 2011, 08:37:49 pm
I think the Bobcats did great, WHAT ELSE are you suppose to do in a weak draft with a weak team? Dump aging players and grab some guys rated good and see what happens.  If they bust it dont matter, weak draft, if they are superstars we win, WEAK DRAFT! Seriously, it is stupid to be an 8th seed go 3 and out and fight for the 8th seed the next year.  We didnt give anything up we will miss for gettin (2) top ten picks, the guys we got rid of that were our superstars will have trouble starting on most teams.  I atleast give Jordan a little credit for taking the chance at trying to make a great team.  We have a good chance at a lottery pick next year, and that very well could be one of the last few pieces.  Highly doubt we get CP-3 nor do I think he will be the teams saving grace. Bottom line we had to TRY something, I dont think  Jordan can stomach being apart of a 7-8th seed contender forever.


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Reply #24 on: June 26, 2011, 11:21:11 pm
Did you even see Gerald Wallace, where he was a starter, in the playoffs?  He ave 15 ppg and 9 rebs against the Mavs.  Or for that matter did you see Tyson Chandler, also a starter?  He just won a ring.  As for Stephen Jackson, not only will he start in Milwaukee, he'll lead them in scoring.

I don't disagree that the Bobcats need to rebuild.  I'm just not sure they are getting better with the trades.

I think this how the trades for those 3 guys(Wallace, Chandler and Jackson) have ended up, not considering making salary space.

Chandler > Najera and Matt Carroll
Wallace > Dante Cunningham and the 2011 19th pick, 2012 first round(unless it's top 8 )
Stephen Jackson and 2011 19th pick Tobias Harris > Biyombo and Corey Maggette

So to me they've given up 3 starters for Biyombo, Maggette and 2012 1st Round pick.

Seems they've thrown everything towards winning the lottery pick next season and hopefully signing a high end free agent(Dwight Howard, etc).  If they are able to get a Durant or Lebron James type in the lottery next season and sign a Dwight Howard type, they will look like geniuses.  But it seems like a high gamble.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.


 

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