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UAB's product allowance will start at $1,075,000 and Under Armour will pay UAB a $50,000 rights fee each year. The contract can be renewed for an additional three years by mutually consenting in writing by Oct. 1, 2022.

The average product allowance over the seven-year span is around $1,026,000; a number that Ingram said is around three to four times higher than its previous deal with Nike and a number significantly higher than what Nike and Adidas offered.

Is it too much to hope our AD is thinking about this?

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The contract also states that Under Armour can produce a commemorative football uniform and certain sideline products to honor UAB's return to competitive action in 2017.


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Reply #1 on: September 30, 2016, 08:58:28 am
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UAB's product allowance will start at $1,075,000 and Under Armour will pay UAB a $50,000 rights fee each year. The contract can be renewed for an additional three years by mutually consenting in writing by Oct. 1, 2022.

The average product allowance over the seven-year span is around $1,026,000; a number that Ingram said is around three to four times higher than its previous deal with Nike and a number significantly higher than what Nike and Adidas offered.

Is it too much to hope our AD is thinking about this?

Also thought this was cool:

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The contract also states that Under Armour can produce a commemorative football uniform and certain sideline products to honor UAB's return to competitive action in 2017.


Meanwhile in Charlotte we get no money...


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Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 10:34:57 am
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/09/how_uabs_contract_with_under_a.html

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UAB's product allowance will start at $1,075,000 and Under Armour will pay UAB a $50,000 rights fee each year. The contract can be renewed for an additional three years by mutually consenting in writing by Oct. 1, 2022.

The average product allowance over the seven-year span is around $1,026,000; a number that Ingram said is around three to four times higher than its previous deal with Nike and a number significantly higher than what Nike and Adidas offered.

Is it too much to hope our AD is thinking about this?

Also thought this was cool:

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The contract also states that Under Armour can produce a commemorative football uniform and certain sideline products to honor UAB's return to competitive action in 2017.


Meanwhile in Charlotte we get no money...


We should have tried to trick the Nike Reps when they visited into thinking we were U of Oregon's east coast campus. Made norm wear a duckbill. Stuff like that. Then we'd have got their top line s*** for free.


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Reply #4 on: September 30, 2016, 11:14:46 am
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)
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Reply #5 on: September 30, 2016, 11:18:03 am
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)


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Reply #6 on: September 30, 2016, 11:57:46 am
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


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Reply #7 on: September 30, 2016, 12:13:26 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
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Reply #8 on: September 30, 2016, 12:22:30 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.


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Reply #9 on: September 30, 2016, 12:40:59 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.


She will leave soon and that will be a good thing.  With each year that ticks by though the apthy grows deeper.  I mean I figure I am pretty passionate, I have disliked the AD for 20 years but I am still  here.  With that said I am even feeling the drag of apathy on me.  We can't make Judy leave, we can't make the on field or court performance change, we can't make the AD change - all we can do is sit here and hope for better and that gets taxing after a few years or a decade. 



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Reply #10 on: September 30, 2016, 12:56:49 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.

2012, I don't know how much you know about the last few years so I apologize if you already know this.  NWA went to the last coaches meeting a few years ago and handed out papers that gave the athletic departments history over the last 10, she was there, she made a big fuss and pouted and later said people's feelings were hurt.  I hate to say it because I do love my school but the fanbases hands really seemed tied.  I don't know what else we can really do short of storming the Chan house with pitch forks.... ha and we almost did do that to get football.
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Reply #11 on: September 30, 2016, 01:06:59 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.

2012, I don't know how much you know about the last few years so I apologize if you already know this.  NWA went to the last coaches meeting a few years ago and handed out papers that gave the athletic departments history over the last 10, she was there, she made a big fuss and pouted and later said people's feelings were hurt.  I hate to say it because I do love my school but the fanbases hands really seemed tied.  I don't know what else we can really do short of storming the Chan house with pitch forks.... ha and we almost did do that to get football.

Let's give her credit where credit is due.  She is probably the most passionate AD in CUSA when it comes to women's basketball, and that program has become a NIT Regular (I think).  Let's also not forget she spent 20 years fighting for football. 

Someone mentioned diehard fans becoming casual fans.  It pains me to say this, but that defines the way I am starting to feel.  It would be nice if she at least conveyed a vision.

 
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Reply #12 on: September 30, 2016, 02:28:04 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.


She will leave soon and that will be a good thing.  With each year that ticks by though the apthy grows deeper.  I mean I figure I am pretty passionate, I have disliked the AD for 20 years but I am still  here.  With that said I am even feeling the drag of apathy on me.  We can't make Judy leave, we can't make the on field or court performance change, we can't make the AD change - all we can do is sit here and hope for better and that gets taxing after a few years or a decade.


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"I'm still here because I haven't finished what I set out to do," says Judy Rose, UNC Charlotte's athletic director since 1990.


http://exponential.uncc.edu/resources


That doesn't sound like somebody about to leave soon.  She has to know that if she leaves all of her #family grandkids' parents will be without jobs.  Dubois similarly has indicated in his convocation speech that he's not leaving either.  It could be another 10 years like this given they're only approaching 65 years old.


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Reply #13 on: September 30, 2016, 02:34:57 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.


She will leave soon and that will be a good thing.  With each year that ticks by though the apthy grows deeper.  I mean I figure I am pretty passionate, I have disliked the AD for 20 years but I am still  here.  With that said I am even feeling the drag of apathy on me.  We can't make Judy leave, we can't make the on field or court performance change, we can't make the AD change - all we can do is sit here and hope for better and that gets taxing after a few years or a decade.


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"I'm still here because I haven't finished what I set out to do," says Judy Rose, UNC Charlotte's athletic director since 1990.


http://exponential.uncc.edu/resources


That doesn't sound like somebody about to leave soon.  She has to know that if she leaves all of her #family grandkids' parents will be without jobs.  Dubois similarly has indicated in his convocation speech that he's not leaving either.  It could be another 10 years like this given they're only approaching 65 years old.


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Reply #14 on: September 30, 2016, 03:03:55 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.

2012, I don't know how much you know about the last few years so I apologize if you already know this.  NWA went to the last coaches meeting a few years ago and handed out papers that gave the athletic departments history over the last 10, she was there, she made a big fuss and pouted and later said people's feelings were hurt.  I hate to say it because I do love my school but the fanbases hands really seemed tied.  I don't know what else we can really do short of storming the Chan house with pitch forks.... ha and we almost did do that to get football.

To be honest, who gives a flying F if her feelings are hurt.

We as a group need to start being more vocal with how we feel. College athletics is a business, she hasn't delivered in a long long time. As the shareholders in the program, we need to start articulating consistently that we are not happy. Items like the handing out the paper, social media tidbits, etc etc.

It might (and probably wont) lead anywhere, but letting the powers that be know that the few remaining fans are starting to get unhappy might change things or even change how they act.


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Reply #15 on: September 30, 2016, 03:22:32 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.

2012, I don't know how much you know about the last few years so I apologize if you already know this.  NWA went to the last coaches meeting a few years ago and handed out papers that gave the athletic departments history over the last 10, she was there, she made a big fuss and pouted and later said people's feelings were hurt.  I hate to say it because I do love my school but the fanbases hands really seemed tied.  I don't know what else we can really do short of storming the Chan house with pitch forks.... ha and we almost did do that to get football.

To be honest, who gives a flying F if her feelings are hurt.

We as a group need to start being more vocal with how we feel. College athletics is a business, she hasn't delivered in a long long time. As the shareholders in the program, we need to start articulating consistently that we are not happy. Items like the handing out the paper, social media tidbits, etc etc.

It might (and probably wont) lead anywhere, but letting the powers that be know that the few remaining fans are starting to get unhappy might change things or even change how they act.


This is where the argument doesn't work, because that is not how Phil sees it nor is it how Judy sees it.  Their #1 goal as stated by Judy is the experience of student athletes.  It isn't winning, it isnt alumni engagement, it isn't fundraising.  What we have is a philosophical difference in the role or athletics and how that should be managed and executed against.  To be honest with you I think the BOG if not directly, then indirectly is perfectly fine with and supports this approach.
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Reply #16 on: September 30, 2016, 03:32:41 pm
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Your hurting feelings NWA!  ::)

I don't think our fans have that attitude in general.  We just don't have enough of them.  No correlation between # posts here and fan commitment though.  We all agree that life needs to be pumped into this program.  Winning itself would do wonders to maintain those on the fringe as well as bringing in new ones.


Maybe not all of them - but we have die hard fans here now disengaging from the program.  Our casual fans are gone, diehard fans are becoming casual fans. 


We need to win, in something that matters - soon.  We need new leadership - soon.  We need a vision - soon.
I said this in the SB and this seems like a good place to repeat it.
I don't like the idea of us as a fanbase sitting down and accepting this. Trying to enact a change at worst will fail and Judy will retire in a couple years anyways or at best, change the direction of the athletic department.

2012, I don't know how much you know about the last few years so I apologize if you already know this.  NWA went to the last coaches meeting a few years ago and handed out papers that gave the athletic departments history over the last 10, she was there, she made a big fuss and pouted and later said people's feelings were hurt.  I hate to say it because I do love my school but the fanbases hands really seemed tied.  I don't know what else we can really do short of storming the Chan house with pitch forks.... ha and we almost did do that to get football.

To be honest, who gives a flying F if her feelings are hurt.

We as a group need to start being more vocal with how we feel. College athletics is a business, she hasn't delivered in a long long time. As the shareholders in the program, we need to start articulating consistently that we are not happy. Items like the handing out the paper, social media tidbits, etc etc.

It might (and probably wont) lead anywhere, but letting the powers that be know that the few remaining fans are starting to get unhappy might change things or even change how they act.


This is where the argument doesn't work, because that is not how Phil sees it nor is it how Judy sees it.  Their #1 goal as stated by Judy is the experience of student athletes.  It isn't winning, it isnt alumni engagement, it isn't fundraising.  What we have is a philosophical difference in the role or athletics and how that should be managed and executed against.  To be honest with you I think the BOG if not directly, then indirectly is perfectly fine with and supports this approach.

If you want to argue on their terms, its the simple fact that the experience of the student athlete is a lot better for them when you win. Heck that was the excuse that LSU gave when they fired Les Miles.
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Reply #17 on: September 30, 2016, 03:55:33 pm
If there is a change in the AD it is going to have to come from the students. Judy is enhancing the experience of athletes essentially at their cost and they are getting zero in return.


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Reply #18 on: September 30, 2016, 04:00:23 pm
If there is a change in the AD it is going to have to come from the students. Judy is enhancing the experience of athletes essentially at their cost and they are getting zero in return.

This is why her statement makes no sense. It is also why basketball and football should receive the lion's share of the AD's focus, not to only generate more revenue but to increase the enjoyment of the student's experience who are funding such a large portion of the athletic department.


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Reply #19 on: September 30, 2016, 04:07:41 pm
Judy uses that logic because it makes her job easier, taking away the pressure to produce winning teams and raise funds from existing and NEW fans. 

I get the impression Phil agrees with this approach and I would not be surprised if he was encouraging it.

I understand she was definitely concerned about winning and losing when she was coaching basketball.

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Reply #20 on: September 30, 2016, 04:43:55 pm
clt isn't a big under armour fan. Too millenial for clt.


clt likes Nike gear, but they don't seem to have us as a priority so clt would welcome an open bid. It needs to be for all teams. We look Mickey Mouse when all of our gear isn't consistent.


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Reply #21 on: September 30, 2016, 04:58:35 pm
If there is a change in the AD it is going to have to come from the students. Judy is enhancing the experience of athletes essentially at their cost and they are getting zero in return.

Unfortunately most students aren't concerned about this until they are no longer students and are left with paying off their student loans.

I'm not even really sure that an AD change would come from students. There would have to be something huge like the football movement, or essentially everyone stops going to games entirely. Attendance is really poor and they don't seem to care.


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Reply #22 on: September 30, 2016, 05:41:17 pm
Can we advocate the Board of Trustees do something about all this incompetence?


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Reply #23 on: September 30, 2016, 11:23:35 pm
I'm pretty sure we had an opportunity to be a "brand" school however several programs did not want to be X brand as they have had relationships/ like X brand.

For the sports that get free gear vs the ones that don't I imagine the AD is still spending at least $250k a year on uniforms etc.

Teams get Nike and others at 40% off retail, bc the distributor takes a cut.

Then the team is paying for the apparel to get logo'd another $3-5 per piece.

If we worked with the manufacturer directly and didn't get paid we could at least get 5-10% off cost.

One of the brands I work (I'm not a distributor I'm an independent rep) for is an athletic apparel company and I work deals all the time, I know exactly how this stuff works and could easily save them $10's of thousands of dollars.

I'm happy to assist the AD whether it's with X brand or with me.

Being exclusive has its perks but it can also be a headache which is why I think some coaches like doing their own thing.


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Reply #24 on: October 02, 2016, 10:32:29 am
If there is a change in the AD it is going to have to come from the students. Judy is enhancing the experience of athletes essentially at their cost and they are getting zero in return.

Unfortunately most students aren't concerned about this until they are no longer students and are left with paying off their student loans.

I'm not even really sure that an AD change would come from students. There would have to be something huge like the football movement, or essentially everyone stops going to games entirely. Attendance is really poor and they don't seem to care.
Poor attendance won't do much. I mean I haven't seen Halton Arena full since I started following Charlotte in 2013, the Miami game in 2014 was the loudest I ever heard it and still there were tons of Miami fans there.
Not sure what it will take to make a change since Judy has been here for 26 years as AD alone and who knows how many total.
The problem is most of the students already don't care. Their efforts to get students to games has not gone well and will continue to as long as they keep the same mediocre system in place.
Sadly though none of this will change anytime soon. It does get very discouraging to be led by an AD with so little vision for the future of the program.
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