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sportsman1417

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Reply #26 on: September 07, 2017, 03:50:07 pm
Are the kids students or athletes? If students, why are they not allowed to transfer just like every other student? If athletes, why are they not treated like any other student who is on scholarship whether it be athletic or academic?


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Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 04:30:14 pm
In out case, and I'm sure other schools, I'm afraid fan support, that is already a problem, would become a
must bigger problem. 
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Reply #28 on: September 07, 2017, 04:42:21 pm
Are the kids students or athletes?

They are on ATHLETIC scholarships.  Think of those scholarships as a contract. 

If they want to be normal students, they can give up their "contract".
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Reply #29 on: September 07, 2017, 09:37:57 pm
Decided to read the actual NCAA documents in question. The writer at 247 Sports should have read them too!

NCAA.org: DI transfer group seeks membership input

NCAA.org: DI SAAC weighs in on transfer concepts
« Last Edit: September 07, 2017, 09:39:32 pm by Run49er »


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Reply #30 on: September 07, 2017, 10:32:03 pm
Decided to read the actual NCAA documents in question. The writer at 247 Sports should have read them too!

NCAA.org: DI transfer group seeks membership input

NCAA.org: DI SAAC weighs in on transfer concepts

clt doesn't read well. Can you explain?


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Reply #31 on: September 07, 2017, 11:29:57 pm
This is going to sound bad but I actually want this to happen.

It will just be interesting to see how this turns out.

The fact you can only transfer once with immediate eligibility AND have to have certain grade point average may mean that it's not as bad as we think.

Depending on where the bar is set for grades, we may see some shenanigans to keep players in the grade point zone that will keep them eligible but not high enough to allow them immediate transfer.

That GPA level is really key here.

I would love this to happen just to see the impact. Let's blow it up. It's not going to make things any worse for us. It's already not good.

As far as Davis, if he is injury free and makes progress in his game this year we may see him go pro rather than come back for his last year.


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Reply #32 on: September 08, 2017, 09:35:05 am
This is going to sound bad but I actually want this to happen.

It will just be interesting to see how this turns out.

The fact you can only transfer once with immediate eligibility AND have to have certain grade point average may mean that it's not as bad as we think.

Depending on where the bar is set for grades, we may see some shenanigans to keep players in the grade point zone that will keep them eligible but not high enough to allow them immediate transfer.

That GPA level is really key here.

I would love this to happen just to see the impact. Let's blow it up. It's not going to make things any worse for us. It's already not good.

As far as Davis, if he is injury free and makes progress in his game this year we may see him go pro rather than come back for his last year.
GPA is certainly key, haven't read what this # might be in anything online yet.


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Reply #33 on: September 08, 2017, 09:55:49 am
Are the kids students or athletes?

They are on ATHLETIC scholarships.  Think of those scholarships as a contract. 

If they want to be normal students, they can give up their "contract".
Yeah I am never going to think of a student at a university as being under contract for anything. They are students.


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Reply #34 on: September 08, 2017, 10:40:40 am
Students other than athletes go under contact to have their education costs covered. For example medical professionals can choose to have their tuition paid in exchange for a term of service in the military. Many companies/government entities will pay for Masters/Doctorate degrees but may require you to pay them back if you do not stay with the company for an agreed upon period if time.


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Reply #35 on: September 08, 2017, 11:28:21 am
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-transfer-eligibility-rules-change-basketball-football-division-i/brm0wg1xfaav1hnes5kerskmk

He points out something I had yet to see discussed, the loss of credits during transfer and using that year to catch up.


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Reply #36 on: September 08, 2017, 11:41:01 am
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-transfer-eligibility-rules-change-basketball-football-division-i/brm0wg1xfaav1hnes5kerskmk

He points out something I had yet to see discussed, the loss of credits during transfer and using that year to catch up.


Great read! I was wondering how the transfer of credits would play into this scenario as well.

I hope Jay Bilas gets a hold of this article...


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Reply #37 on: September 08, 2017, 11:48:57 am
Students other than athletes go under contact to have their education costs covered. For example medical professionals can choose to have their tuition paid in exchange for a term of service in the military. Many companies/government entities will pay for Masters/Doctorate degrees but may require you to pay them back if you do not stay with the company for an agreed upon period if time.
Under contract with employment attached. Not under contract for an education only. For what you are saying to make more sense the athletes that are "under contract" should be allowed to pursue all options to make sure they are getting the best chance at post college employment for what their contract is for (Playing a sport).


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Reply #38 on: September 08, 2017, 11:57:35 am
Are the kids students or athletes?

They are on ATHLETIC scholarships.  Think of those scholarships as a contract. 

If they want to be normal students, they can give up their "contract".
Yeah I am never going to think of a student at a university as being under contract for anything. They are students.

Are they??  I mean we have the NCAA just about ready to rule academics don't matter, we have cost of attendance as a cover to basically pay them and we admit athletes that can't meet school academic standards.
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Reply #39 on: September 08, 2017, 11:59:01 am
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-transfer-eligibility-rules-change-basketball-football-division-i/brm0wg1xfaav1hnes5kerskmk

He points out something I had yet to see discussed, the loss of credits during transfer and using that year to catch up.


Great read! I was wondering how the transfer of credits would play into this scenario as well.

I hope Jay Bilas gets a hold of this article...


I use to respect the hell out of Jay....but he has changed.
Jay Bilas has created a public persona whose main objective is to bash the NCAA on every front.  Granted, there are plenty of fronts to bash the NCAA....but the NCAA is a necessary entity to attempt at providing at least somewhat of an enforcement policy to help with balance of power and leveling the playing field in an EXTREMELY corrupt environment.


But Jay has created his anti-NCAA persona and developed it to a point that he feels he can NEVER agree with anything that comes out of the NCAA side of things.  He feels agreeing with them on ANYTHING would diminish his primary argument of treating the athletes like employees without pay.


Like what has happened to our politicians...and why I despise politics, he now has become an extremist on his views.  He let's himself see no compromise when it comes to the NCAA and he continues to double down on his anti-NCAA argument on every issue.  It makes him now look petty and to me, he has lost his most admirable trait throughout the years when it comes to being an analyst....his ability to see and promote common sense.


His common sense has long left the building...blinded by his hatred of the NCAA.


He's basically a sports industry politician...an extremist against the NCAA.


He's a caricature of what he once was.
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Reply #40 on: September 08, 2017, 01:09:10 pm
Students other than athletes go under contact to have their education costs covered. For example medical professionals can choose to have their tuition paid in exchange for a term of service in the military. Many companies/government entities will pay for Masters/Doctorate degrees but may require you to pay them back if you do not stay with the company for an agreed upon period if time.
Under contract with employment attached. Not under contract for an education only. For what you are saying to make more sense the athletes that are "under contract" should be allowed to pursue all options to make sure they are getting the best chance at post college employment for what their contract is for (Playing a sport).

A dentist could choose not to join the military to fulfill their agreed upon obligation, but there would be consequences. Employment in the military isn't the goal for someone in that situation, it's a means to get your expensive education paid for by another entity.

Do you consider people with academic grants or scholarships to be "under contract"? I know it's parsing terms but if they don't live up to their obligations there are consequences (the revocation of the scholarship or reimbursement of the grant). The consequence for the athlete is they sit out a year. That's not at all unreasonable considering the strings attached to other forms of financial aid in higher education.

Also they can leave to obtain post college employment without any ramifications, it's just that for the stability of the system they have to wait a year to attend a comparable university.

Now that being said it is a travesty how coaches lie and mislead athletes and jump at the first available "better" opportunity. It is unfair that they can while the athletes can not. Doing away with the transfer rule though could lead to an even worse deception. Every player on every team could be continually recruited by third party middlemen (since it will be illegal to have official contact). I don't think that is good for the game, university, coaches, or the athletes.

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Reply #41 on: September 08, 2017, 03:53:04 pm
Something not mentioned..... What about "students" on athletic scholarships that suddenly have their scholarship revoked because their coach signs enough transfers to exceed the scholarship limit?  Will they still be "students" or will they be dropouts?  They may suddenly find themselves having to transfer to a school they don't like, just to still have a contract.... I mean scholarship.
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Reply #42 on: September 08, 2017, 04:07:36 pm
Something not mentioned..... What about "students" on athletic scholarships that suddenly have their scholarship revoked because their coach signs enough transfers to exceed the scholarship limit?  Will they still be "students" or will they be dropouts?  They may suddenly find themselves having to transfer to a school they don't like, just to still have a contract.... I mean scholarship.
Personally, if a kids scholarship is revoked/not renewed, he should be able to play right away elsewhere.


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Reply #43 on: September 08, 2017, 04:16:23 pm
clt says we should set up a system of fake classes to allow transfers to play sooner.


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Reply #44 on: September 08, 2017, 07:45:31 pm
Gary Parrish (CBS) and Rob Dauster (NBC) on this topic:

CBSSports.com: Potential change to transfer rule has college coaches spooked, hypocritically

NBCSports.com: The truth about the changes that are, and are not, coming to NCAA transfer rules


Plus Illinois State coach Dan Muller gives his opinion of Jay Bilas!

NBCSports.com: Illinois State coach Dan Muller takes a shot at Jay Bilas


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Reply #45 on: September 08, 2017, 09:06:41 pm
Gary Parrish (CBS) and Rob Dauster (NBC) on this topic:

CBSSports.com: Potential change to transfer rule has college coaches spooked, hypocritically

NBCSports.com: The truth about the changes that are, and are not, coming to NCAA transfer rules


Plus Illinois State coach Dan Muller gives his opinion of Jay Bilas!

NBCSports.com: Illinois State coach Dan Muller takes a shot at Jay Bilas

clt declares bilas an infidel.


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