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on: January 28, 2018, 06:17:12 am
Now that it's obvious Fancher is terrible, and the entire basketball program is toxic, I'm listing my top 5 guys who I would love to see considered with PROVEN success and be huge proven upgrades:

Pat Kelsey - has Winthrop in 1st again.  6 straight wins.  Taken them from worst to first, an NCAA and done helluva restoration job. Loves fan engagement.

Wes Miller - has UNCG rolling.  First couple years struggled, but won 25 last year and going to win 25 agsin.  Just 35 yrs old.  Gets the marketing thing, check out UNCG athletics YouTube vids.  With our UNC head jock sniffer in charge chancellor, this guy has to be on radar.  Former Heel.

Earl Grant - my favorite.  No nonsense guy.  41 yrs old.  Another turnaround expert.  Went from 9 wins to 25 last year and on Pace to win 25 again this year. 

Bobby Lutz -   :p

Levelle Moton - shoulda hired him over Price.  Done well at NC Central.  Very alpha male which might rift with Dubois and his 17 sport mentality. 

Nick McDevitt - done well at UNCA.  Taken them to NCAA.  Does be understand hype or branding? 

Tom Crean - seriously doubt he has 1 shred of interest. 


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Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 06:50:23 am
clt prefers Kelsey.


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Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 08:45:29 am
I think Earl Grant could do an excellent job here


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Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 09:25:49 am
My current list:

Steve Forbes (my personal top candidate)
Earl Grant
Nick McDevitt
Pat Kelsey
Jon Scheyer
Travis Steele
Ron Sanchez
Jeff Capel
Tom Crean


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Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 10:08:07 am
Forbes will be FBS coach next yr imho.  Great pick no chance


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Reply #5 on: January 28, 2018, 10:58:42 am
Good choices listed, although I'm not sold on Miller, but we need to name our new AD ASAP and let him get started on this.
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Reply #6 on: January 28, 2018, 11:25:04 am
My current list:

Steve Forbes (my personal top candidate)
Earl Grant
Nick McDevitt
Pat Kelsey
Jon Scheyer
Travis Steele
Ron Sanchez
Jeff Capel
Tom Crean

Forbes is my #1 choice too. I think he and Crean are the only proven commodities that would swing the momentum quickly. Scheyer and Capel would be okay too. The others are varying levels of Interesting, though I am nowhere near as high on Kelsey as some of you are.


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Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 12:03:28 pm
Whoever the next coach is, ideally I think being a coach who can relate to fans and them excited is going to be so key. A coach who can reach out and truly connect with the student body to get students to the games will be critical.
However, there is the age old saying...win and they will come and it's true. Win and the students will come whether youre the greatest guy in the world or a total dick.
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Reply #8 on: January 28, 2018, 03:52:10 pm
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Reply #9 on: January 28, 2018, 04:16:39 pm
Would love Forbes. Are we sure Grant would view this job as a step up?
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Reply #10 on: January 28, 2018, 05:33:17 pm
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Reply #11 on: January 28, 2018, 05:45:07 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be.  Going to take a coach who is looking for a complete rebuild at this point. 


The bad part is I like Fancher's style of coaching but he is having to coach a team that appears to lack serious talent compared to the teams we are playing.  I get the impression at times he would love to make some moves during the game but then you look at the bench and not much there to go to.


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Reply #12 on: January 28, 2018, 07:04:48 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be. 


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Same here...as long as it s someone named Bobby that also has a last name of Lutz and has a history of being the best coach in the history of the school already....I'm good to go!!


Too easy.  I had to do it in the thread that is titled "Serious List".


You know that was done intentionally and solely to keep the Lutz name out of the discussion....well...so much for that now!!!
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Reply #13 on: January 28, 2018, 07:13:01 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be. 


D.O.B.A.


Same here...as long as it s someone named Bobby that also has a last name of Lutz and has a history of being the best coach in the history of the school already....I'm good to go!!


Too easy.  I had to do it in the thread that is titled "Serious List".


You know that was done intentionally and solely to keep the Lutz name out of the discussion....well...so much for that now!!!
Lutz may have the most wins, but that doesn't make him the best. I think you'd have to give that title to Lee rose.  He took a brand new nobody program and arguably had the best team in the country.

Jeff Mullins took a dumpster fire and turned it into a winner that was later handed off to Bobby. If Bobby gets a return chance, he will have to do what Jeff did in the 80s.
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Reply #14 on: January 28, 2018, 07:26:44 pm
Lavar Ball is now 1-0.

Mark Price was 0-6 overseas IIRC.

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Reply #15 on: January 28, 2018, 07:48:39 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be.  Going to take a coach who is looking for a complete rebuild at this point. 


The bad part is I like Fancher's style of coaching but he is having to coach a team that appears to lack serious talent compared to the teams we are playing.  I get the impression at times he would love to make some moves during the game but then you look at the bench and not much there to go to.

This team, similar to Odom, is not an indication of Fanchers ability.  The dude won at App, that's a biblical miracle.  I'm not saying he is Wooden, but he isn't this bad. 

This team, suffers more than a talent deficiency.  It's broken mentally.  It isn't overly talented, but it is a better team than what we are seeing.   To find success you need talent, coaching and desire.  This team is missing serious parts of all three. 

As for the replacement.  As much as I like Bobby we need to end that.  Barring a HUGE shift from Phil it isn't happening.  Remember Bobby got fired mostly for who he is not for his on the coach product. 

I'd like to see someone that has has won something at a lower level/school OR someone who has been AHC at a P5 school.  What I don't want is a down thebench Alan Major or a "name guy" Mark Price.   

In other words someone with Bobby's resume before we knew who he was.
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Reply #16 on: January 28, 2018, 07:57:21 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be. 


D.O.B.A.


Same here...as long as it s someone named Bobby that also has a last name of Lutz and has a history of being the best coach in the history of the school already....I'm good to go!!


Too easy.  I had to do it in the thread that is titled "Serious List".


You know that was done intentionally and solely to keep the Lutz name out of the discussion....well...so much for that now!!!

Lutz may have the most wins, but that doesn't make him the best. I think you'd have to give that title to Lee rose.  He took a brand new nobody program and arguably had the best team in the country..........

Lee was a great coach, but the team he inherited from Bill Foster was not a "nobody team".  Foster's '74-75 team lost only 3 games and would have gone dancing if they had a field of 64 back then. 

Rose's trademark was taking over teams already loaded with talent and making them better.
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Reply #17 on: January 28, 2018, 08:25:16 pm
Yea, he took Purdue to a final 4 a few years after he left us.  Never could get it done at USF


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Reply #18 on: January 28, 2018, 08:26:11 pm
This team has a talent deficiency because Fancher did get quality recruits.


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Reply #19 on: January 28, 2018, 08:31:14 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be.  Going to take a coach who is looking for a complete rebuild at this point. 


The bad part is I like Fancher's style of coaching but he is having to coach a team that appears to lack serious talent compared to the teams we are playing.  I get the impression at times he would love to make some moves during the game but then you look at the bench and not much there to go to.

This team, similar to Odom, is not an indication of Fanchers ability.  The dude won at App, that's a biblical miracle.  I'm not saying he is Wooden, but he isn't this bad. 

This team, suffers more than a talent deficiency.  It's broken mentally.  It isn't overly talented, but it is a better team than what we are seeing.   To find success you need talent, coaching and desire.  This team is missing serious parts of all three. 

As for the replacement.  As much as I like Bobby we need to end that.  Barring a HUGE shift from Phil it isn't happening.  Remember Bobby got fired mostly for who he is not for his on the coach product. 

I'd like to see someone that has has won something at a lower level/school OR someone who has been AHC at a P5 school.  What I don't want is a down thebench Alan Major or a "name guy" Mark Price.   

In other words someone with Bobby's resume before we knew who he was.




Fancher is not terrible. I actually think he is a decent coach and cares about his players. However, he surely is at least partly responsible for the lack of needed talent to compete in CUSA. Simovic was brought in to recruit Euro players, but we may never see the fruits of his labor. Give Fancher a local recruiter and let Simovic hit the Euro scene and who know what can happen.


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Reply #20 on: January 28, 2018, 08:32:31 pm
There’s very real reasons why we shouldn’t take anyone from UNC. 
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Reply #21 on: January 28, 2018, 08:34:24 pm
I for one am not even going to get hung up on certain names and who I want it to be.  Going to take a coach who is looking for a complete rebuild at this point. 


The bad part is I like Fancher's style of coaching but he is having to coach a team that appears to lack serious talent compared to the teams we are playing.  I get the impression at times he would love to make some moves during the game but then you look at the bench and not much there to go to.

This team, similar to Odom, is not an indication of Fanchers ability.  The dude won at App, that's a biblical miracle.  I'm not saying he is Wooden, but he isn't this bad. 

This team, suffers more than a talent deficiency.  It's broken mentally.  It isn't overly talented, but it is a better team than what we are seeing.   To find success you need talent, coaching and desire.  This team is missing serious parts of all three. 

As for the replacement.  As much as I like Bobby we need to end that.  Barring a HUGE shift from Phil it isn't happening.  Remember Bobby got fired mostly for who he is not for his on the coach product. 

I'd like to see someone that has has won something at a lower level/school OR someone who has been AHC at a P5 school.  What I don't want is a down thebench Alan Major or a "name guy" Mark Price.   

In other words someone with Bobby's resume before we knew who he was.
This is spot on. I think this team at times, well no most of the time lacks heart, desire and hustle. It was appalling to see how they played at times this year not appearing to care.
The new coach will have to able to win in all three phases there as you said, but I agree I do not want Bobby as HC and I don't want a down the bench guy. I want someone with experience at a winning school, who can recruit and who most importantly has a vision for where he can take the program in 3-5 years(most seem to have 5 year plans and that's what it'd take for us I think).
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Reply #22 on: January 28, 2018, 09:30:28 pm
I dont want Miller.  There are literally hundred of coaches with no ties to chapel hill to choose from.
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Reply #23 on: January 28, 2018, 09:36:18 pm
I dont want Miller.  There are literally hundred of coaches with no ties to chapel hill to choose from.
Who cares? A ton of people want Danny Morrison for AD, but he is a Carolina grad at least for his masters...but I guess he's ok right?
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Reply #24 on: January 28, 2018, 09:38:59 pm
Lee was a great coach, but the team he inherited from Bill Foster was not a "nobody team".  Foster's '74-75 team lost only 3 games and would have gone dancing if they had a field of 64 back then. 

Rose's trademark was taking over teams already loaded with talent and making them better.
Yes, inheriting first Cedric Maxwell and then Joe Barry Carroll certainly helped Rose make it to two NIT finals and two NCAA Final Fours during his first five seasons as a D-I coach. No one on the roster like those two at South Florida. Always thought that Rose could have had Gene Keady's stellar career had he stayed in West Lafayette.
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