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Title: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on January 30, 2013, 09:15:34 am
I figured we should probably have a thread to discuss Soccer/Futbol (I spell it this way so it isn't confused with American Football).  Most of our conversations are in the shoutbox and get lost b/c of people wanting to talk about guns, more realignment, or whatever.


This thread is for any soccer, whether it be E(B)PL, La Liga, MLS, Cup qualifying, friendlies, whatever is in the news, and just in general.


To start, I read these articles yesterday.  The one about finding the American Messi is pretty sweet and includes a link to a 12 y/o Californian who is in FC Barcelona's camp.  Kid is apparently really good.


America's Next Messi (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1055?cc=5901)


US Soccer's Top 10 Under 21 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1009?cc=5901)


Junior Flores (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1043?cc=5901)


Pathways to the Pros (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1001?cc=5901)



Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on January 31, 2013, 01:23:21 pm
Brek Shea going to play for Stoke City. At 22 years old, he has tremendous potential for the USMNT over the next decade, good to see him moving to a tougher league.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21256177 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21256177)
 
Lots of US players in BPL now, has to help our international game, right?
 
In other news, Evan James got his second international cap for Canada on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: mightymitchfan on January 31, 2013, 01:40:36 pm
Brek Shea going to play for Stoke City. At 22 years old, he has tremendous potential for the USMNT over the next decade, good to see him moving to a tougher league.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21256177 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21256177)
 
Lots of US players in BPL now, has to help our international game, right?
 
In other news, Evan James got his second international cap for Canada on Tuesday.

Who is James playing with professionally?  I went to the Montreal Impact roster page and he was no longer on there.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on January 31, 2013, 01:43:54 pm

Who is James playing with professionally?  I went to the Montreal Impact roster page and he was no longer on there.

I heard he got cut, but haven't heard anything since.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NLP on January 31, 2013, 01:44:08 pm
USMNT according to cpip's poor trolling attempts.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on January 31, 2013, 01:44:47 pm

Lots of US players in BPL now, has to help our international game, right?
 

[size=78%]Problem is they're not coming back over to play in these games, preferring to stay with their clubs.  Also, we may have players on the rosters, but they're not always getting playing time.[/size]
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on January 31, 2013, 02:26:35 pm
  Also, we may have players on the rosters, but they're not always getting playing time.


Thats a major problem.  I look at a guy like Agudelo who has tons of upside, but needs to get out of Chivas asap to develop so he can learn he cant dribble past the back line on his own.  But will it do him any good to move to europe and never see the pitch?  I dont think so.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on January 31, 2013, 04:38:04 pm
  Also, we may have players on the rosters, but they're not always getting playing time.


Thats a major problem.  I look at a guy like Agudelo who has tons of upside, but needs to get out of Chivas asap to develop so he can learn he cant dribble past the back line on his own.  But will it do him any good to move to europe and never see the pitch?  I dont think so.


Exactly, I don't know where he can go though to get that burn plus the tutelage... Mexico?  MLS's competition level isn't bad, it isn't great.  Most would put an good MLS squad on the level of a second or third tier EPL team.  How many field guys do we have in the EPL (I'm not counting keepers).  Donovan, Dempsey, etc.?  How many of these guys get legitimate burn.


Just looked it up:


http://www.soccertimes.com/americans/list.htm (http://www.soccertimes.com/americans/list.htm)


I know some others play in the Italian league as well.

EDIT:  That list is a bit dated.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on January 31, 2013, 05:00:44 pm
Here is a current list...


http://yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=players


7 or 8 guys in the EPL.  3 are keepers though and they always get time.  Demps, Ream and Cameron get good run.  Holden does when he's healthy. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on January 31, 2013, 05:11:35 pm
Here is a current list...


http://yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=players (http://yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=players)


7 or 8 guys in the EPL.  3 are keepers though and they always get time.  Demps, Ream and Cameron get good run.  Holden does when he's healthy.

Guys playing in the Championship, Bundesliga and Serie A could all be considered to be playing in leagues better than the MLS, at least that's what minimal knowledge of European soccer leagues tells me.
 
Even if they aren't playing, they're still training with the best.
 
IMO, the optimal path for an American is to rise up in our (improved) youth ranks, maybe play a few years in MLS, get bought by a big name European club and play there for a decade, then come home to MLS to close out his career.
 
Wish Galaxy would've let Donovan stay at Everton, might have rejuvenated his love for the game.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Noreaster on January 31, 2013, 06:44:39 pm
Lots of US guys play in European leagues.  Bradley, Edu, Cherundolo, Jermaine Jones, Bocanegra all get regular call-ups to the MNT.  Granted, the Premiership gets the most press in the US, but that isn't necessarily the best league in Europe.


Unfortunately, MLS is probably about #10 on a list of the best leagues in the world.  It doesn't help that they don't pay much and play an off-kilter schedule.  The scheduling thing is unique simply because soccer can't compete with the NFL on weekends in the US.  Just can't.  I would love to see homegrown talent stay here, but the reality is they will get paid maybe 10%-25% of what they could make overseas.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ImfromClayton on January 31, 2013, 08:08:30 pm
I had no idea anybody on this board kept up with international soccer.  I saw where David Beckham signed to play with PSG today.  Interesting move. He's giving his entire salary to a boys home in Paris. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ZombieLew on January 31, 2013, 08:09:02 pm
Lots of US guys play in European leagues.  Bradley, Edu, Cherundolo, Jermaine Jones, Bocanegra all get regular call-ups to the MNT.  Granted, the Premiership gets the most press in the US, but that isn't necessarily the best league in Europe.


Unfortunately, MLS is probably about #10 on a list of the best leagues in the world.  It doesn't help that they don't pay much and play an off-kilter schedule.  The scheduling thing is unique simply because soccer can't compete with the NFL on weekends in the US.  Just can't.  I would love to see homegrown talent stay here, but the reality is they will get paid maybe 10%-25% of what they could make overseas.

I think part of it as well was for player development... players can go on loan to European clubs in the MLS off season, allowing them to play year-round.

I will say, though... MLS has to, and I mean absolutely HAS to get rid of any semblance of a salary cap. I understand that they want to keep it competitive, but the only way that MLS will ever compete on a global scale is to cut the deepest pockets loose and let them bring in the talent to do so.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ImfromClayton on January 31, 2013, 08:42:35 pm
Lots of US guys play in European leagues.  Bradley, Edu, Cherundolo, Jermaine Jones, Bocanegra all get regular call-ups to the MNT.  Granted, the Premiership gets the most press in the US, but that isn't necessarily the best league in Europe.


Unfortunately, MLS is probably about #10 on a list of the best leagues in the world.  It doesn't help that they don't pay much and play an off-kilter schedule.  The scheduling thing is unique simply because soccer can't compete with the NFL on weekends in the US.  Just can't.  I would love to see homegrown talent stay here, but the reality is they will get paid maybe 10%-25% of what they could make overseas.

I think part of it as well was for player development... players can go on loan to European clubs in the MLS off season, allowing them to play year-round.

I will say, though... MLS has to, and I mean absolutely HAS to get rid of any semblance of a salary cap. I understand that they want to keep it competitive, but the only way that MLS will ever compete on a global scale is to cut the deepest pockets loose and let them bring in the talent to do so.

this ^^

The New York Cosmos were the most popular and best team in the world in the 70's.  American fans won't watch a product that is seen as "minor leagues"
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on January 31, 2013, 08:51:59 pm
Lots of US guys play in European leagues.  Bradley, Edu, Cherundolo, Jermaine Jones, Bocanegra all get regular call-ups to the MNT.  Granted, the Premiership gets the most press in the US, but that isn't necessarily the best league in Europe.


Unfortunately, MLS is probably about #10 on a list of the best leagues in the world.  It doesn't help that they don't pay much and play an off-kilter schedule.  The scheduling thing is unique simply because soccer can't compete with the NFL on weekends in the US.  Just can't.  I would love to see homegrown talent stay here, but the reality is they will get paid maybe 10%-25% of what they could make overseas.

I think part of it as well was for player development... players can go on loan to European clubs in the MLS off season, allowing them to play year-round.

I will say, though... MLS has to, and I mean absolutely HAS to get rid of any semblance of a salary cap. I understand that they want to keep it competitive, but the only way that MLS will ever compete on a global scale is to cut the deepest pockets loose and let them bring in the talent to do so.


May allow some teams to bring in top talent, but that move would kill the smaller market teams that can't afford it. Fans hate following losing teams, especially in this country. By keeping it equally competitive for the time being, they can grow the league (and the fanbase) at a steady rate for a better chance at future success. It's getting better every year, and I think we're not far removed from big money starting to be spent outside of LA and New York.


Going to take time.


Also, GO NORWICH!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on February 01, 2013, 05:02:05 pm
I know plenty of players play elsewhere in equally competitive leagues, I just used EPL as the benchmark.  I will agree the Bundesligia, La Liga, and Serie A leagues are all comparable.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 02, 2013, 01:49:13 pm
Lots of US guys play in European leagues.  Bradley, Edu, Cherundolo, Jermaine Jones, Bocanegra all get regular call-ups to the MNT.  Granted, the Premiership gets the most press in the US, but that isn't necessarily the best league in Europe.


Unfortunately, MLS is probably about #10 on a list of the best leagues in the world.  It doesn't help that they don't pay much and play an off-kilter schedule.  The scheduling thing is unique simply because soccer can't compete with the NFL on weekends in the US.  Just can't.  I would love to see homegrown talent stay here, but the reality is they will get paid maybe 10%-25% of what they could make overseas.

I think part of it as well was for player development... players can go on loan to European clubs in the MLS off season, allowing them to play year-round.

I will say, though... MLS has to, and I mean absolutely HAS to get rid of any semblance of a salary cap. I understand that they want to keep it competitive, but the only way that MLS will ever compete on a global scale is to cut the deepest pockets loose and let them bring in the talent to do so.

this ^^

The New York Cosmos were the most popular and best team in the world in the 70's.  American fans won't watch a product that is seen as "minor leagues"


lol


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MLS instituted a salary cap to avoid failure like the NASL did.  MLS is doing fine.  They have grown by leaps and bounds just in the time I've been living in this country (2000+).  I remember thinking how much of a joke the broadcasts were when I moved here and caught them on TV.  Now I find them thoroughly entertaining with a decent quality of play and great stadiums and fan bases. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 02, 2013, 01:53:20 pm
I know plenty of players play elsewhere in equally competitive leagues, I just used EPL as the benchmark.  I will agree the Bundesligia, La Liga, and Serie A leagues are all comparable.


You can add Ligue 1 to that list as well.  Some other less profile leagues around Europe as well.


UEFA has a lot of problems but the coefficient system they use to decide the quality of the domestic leagues and thus decide who deserves more/less European competition spots is second to none.  The NCAA could learn A LOT from such a system.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on February 04, 2013, 03:11:26 pm
I know plenty of players play elsewhere in equally competitive leagues, I just used EPL as the benchmark.  I will agree the Bundesligia, La Liga, and Serie A leagues are all comparable.


You can add Ligue 1 to that list as well.  Some other less profile leagues around Europe as well.


UEFA has a lot of problems but the coefficient system they use to decide the quality of the domestic leagues and thus decide who deserves more/less European competition spots is second to none.  The NCAA could learn A LOT from such a system.


I just don't like France.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on February 04, 2013, 09:33:57 pm
I know plenty of players play elsewhere in equally competitive leagues, I just used EPL as the benchmark.  I will agree the Bundesligia, La Liga, and Serie A leagues are all comparable.


You can add Ligue 1 to that list as well.  Some other less profile leagues around Europe as well.


UEFA has a lot of problems but the coefficient system they use to decide the quality of the domestic leagues and thus decide who deserves more/less European competition spots is second to none.  The NCAA could learn A LOT from such a system.


I just don't like France.


clt doesn't like France.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on February 06, 2013, 03:14:31 pm
So WC qualifying kicks off today against Honduras.  Its a huge game against a feisty squad in one of the most dangerous cities in the world.  Honduras as already declared today a national holiday.  There really isnt a way to express how crazy the atmosphere will be tonight.


We've had their number over several years but this isnt the same old Honduras team.  They no longer play that bunker style soccer that you find in CONCACAF.  They have a pair of pretty good attacking forwards who could give our revamped front line some problems.  I'm saying we pull it out 2-0 but my brain is telling me its gonna be a 1-1 draw.


Line ups will be Howard, Chandler, Gonzo, Cameron, Johnson, Williams, Jones, Bradley, E Johnson (ugh), Demps and Altidore.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on February 06, 2013, 03:41:38 pm
I like our defense more than our offense now. Not sure if this team will have the spark it needs to dominate without Donovan, though Dempsey being in top form is helpful. I agree that E Johnson essentially in place of Donovan is a problem.

I think the US loses this one, but finds a way to squeak out of the Hexagonal. There's been a lot of lackluster performances lately in qualifying, and the other 5 this time are better than they have been in the past I think, with Jamaica and Panama not as much gimmes as past bottom teams, and Mexico looking like a world power of late.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on February 06, 2013, 06:48:32 pm
Lost 2-1 to Honduras. Doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on February 06, 2013, 07:07:22 pm
f*** that game.  Team looked gassed from start to finish.  The back line showed its youth and chandler looked lost at times.  A world class goal by deuce followed by the most lethargic goal celebration I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 07, 2013, 09:22:39 am
I was expecting a draw and hoping for a win.  That performance was atrocious.  Not sure what Kinsmann is telling those guys but in official matches they haven't played well in about a year.  He's now 11W-7L-5D as US manager.  That's just not good enough. 

This team should still easily qualify in one of those top 3 spots but Costa Rica at home next is a must win because then you have Mexico at Azteca in game 3.  You don't want to potentially be sitting on 1 point through 3 matches.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on February 07, 2013, 11:58:12 am
Or zero points, the US seems to struggle a lot against Costa Rica, even when their teams aren't as good.

The back line definitely made some mistakes, but they were also under a lot of pressure. I couldn't figure out what the heck the midfield was doing in this game. There was hardly any pressure on the ball from the midfielders for the parts I watched. Gave them much too much space. Everyone looked lazy on defense, and the offense was only mildly better. Were they told to conserve energy? Or were they all tired to start the game for some reason?

I don't find the loss in Honduras that surprising, but the way the team looked while it happened was concerning.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on March 27, 2013, 09:12:38 am
Great performance over the past two games. I was expecting 1 point from the two games, hoping for 3. Instead we got 4 points out of a possible 6.
 
I think Guzan may need to be the starter from here on out.
 
Also looks like MLS is starting to show it's impact. Didn't every player on the pitch last night for the US go through the MLS?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: jfickett on March 27, 2013, 09:19:48 am
We had an unbelievable resolve last night, despite being on the defensive for about 85 minutes.  Estadio Azteca has been a house of horrors for us since...well...ever.  WC is now in sight.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 18, 2013, 11:06:26 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1676246-usa-vs-honduras-americans-are-locks-to-win-world-cup-qualifier (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1676246-usa-vs-honduras-americans-are-locks-to-win-world-cup-qualifier)
 
That's such a setup for a disappointment. However, the team has been in good form lately. really like what they are doing with the younger guys - and Jozy establishing himself as a feature/star player striker completely changes the team dynamic the same way having Abby Wambach up front does for the WMNT.
 
I'm really starting to get behind this team and Klinnsman's handling of them.
 
This'll be the last chance to catch them before September.
 
On ESPN, coverage starts at 8:30. Game is sold out.
 
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/06/18/kick-confidence-high-usmnt-prep-honduras-rematch-sold-out-rio-tinto-stadium (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/06/18/kick-confidence-high-usmnt-prep-honduras-rematch-sold-out-rio-tinto-stadium)
 
Go USA! Let's get some revenge on Honduras!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 18, 2013, 11:14:36 am
Why do people insist on using "futbol?"


In English, it's soccer or football.


Also, Jozy is a true American hero. I think I'll name a future child after him.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on June 18, 2013, 11:18:08 am
Why do people insist on using "futbol?"


In English, it's soccer or football.


Also, Jozy is a true American hero. I think I'll name a future child after him.


I KNEW this was coming.....
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 18, 2013, 11:19:52 am
Why do people insist on using "futbol?"


In English, it's soccer or football.


Also, Jozy is a true American hero. I think I'll name a future child after him.


I KNEW this was coming.....


That's what she said.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 18, 2013, 11:30:36 am
In English, it's soccer or football.

Actually, in English, it's "football".
 
In 'murican, we introduce the confusion. We're the UNC system of the football world.
 
That said, I prefer to call it "proper football". Because.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 21, 2013, 07:33:25 pm
Past time to get this thread going again.
 
I realize the competition has not been elite, but we are also playing our B team. Love what Klinnsman has done to this team. We play a more attacking style than I can ever remember. I think the US has outscored its opposition 16-3 in the Gold Cup so far. That is absolute domination.
 
Fantastic game by Landon Donovan today, and the Eddie Johnson sub has to go down as the most fortuitous ever, with him scoring a goal 15 secs after he got in the game, to break it open (3-1).
 
5 goals for the USMNT today and it could have easily been 7 or 8.
 
And then this:
 
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2940945/donovanshades.gif)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on July 21, 2013, 08:38:34 pm
That game was a lot of fun to watch.  All of our performances in this tourney have been a lot of fun to watch.  They are really buying into the "attack in waves" style that Kinsmann talked about when he took over.

We haven't sat back to defend a lead in any of these games.

PS: I bought tickets to the semifinals in Dallas.  I CANNOT FREAKING WAIT to be in the stands rooting for the Red, White and Blue!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 22, 2013, 06:56:49 am
Landon Donovan is on fire right now. You can tell this squad really respects him.


Wonder if he'd get the same treatment from the "A" squad that he basically quit on.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ZombieLew on July 22, 2013, 09:51:31 am
That game was a lot of fun to watch.  All of our performances in this tourney have been a lot of fun to watch.  They are really buying into the "attack in waves" style that Kinsmann talked about when he took over.

We haven't sat back to defend a lead in any of these games.

PS: I bought tickets to the semifinals in Dallas.  I CANNOT FREAKING WAIT to be in the stands rooting for the Red, White and Blue!

I'm kicking myself for not getting on board to go this weekend. They don't market the national team very well here... both the friendly vs. Germany at RFK and this game at M&T were largely without fanfare.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 22, 2013, 10:06:38 am
Also of note. The USMNT scored two goals yesterday off short corners.


I still hate short corners, but it's working for them right now.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on July 22, 2013, 10:33:33 am
That game was a lot of fun to watch.  All of our performances in this tourney have been a lot of fun to watch.  They are really buying into the "attack in waves" style that Kinsmann talked about when he took over.

We haven't sat back to defend a lead in any of these games.

PS: I bought tickets to the semifinals in Dallas.  I CANNOT FREAKING WAIT to be in the stands rooting for the Red, White and Blue!

I'm kicking myself for not getting on board to go this weekend. They don't market the national team very well here... both the friendly vs. Germany at RFK and this game at M&T were largely without fanfare.


47,359 vs. Germany at RFK (Friendly)
70,540 vs. El Salvador at M&T Bank Stadium (Gold Cup Quarterfinals)


Apparently they don't need to advertise much to get butts in seats.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on July 22, 2013, 10:35:40 am
Also of note. The USMNT scored two goals yesterday off short corners.


I still hate short corners, but it's working for them right now.


They had the El Salvador set piece defense completely figured out.  You could tell they practiced that exact scheme to death in practice.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 22, 2013, 10:37:58 am
Also of note. The USMNT scored two goals yesterday off short corners.


I still hate short corners, but it's working for them right now.


They had the El Salvador set piece defense completely figured out.  You could tell they practiced that exact scheme to death in practice.


Landon's assist on the first goal was a beautiful example of ball control. It's not easy to bring a ball down with your chest while moving in the same direction as the pass. He made it look easy.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 22, 2013, 10:56:45 am
Donovan needs to start on the A team.  Glad he's pulled it together.  This B team is very talented and Klinsmann has tons of options.  Wondo should be pulled up as well and there are a half dozen other players who could be on the World Cup team.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on July 22, 2013, 11:18:03 am
Landon Donovan is on fire right now. You can tell this squad really respects him.


Wonder if he'd get the same treatment from the "A" squad that he basically quit on.
Probably not to the same degree, because there's a lot more guys on the A team with experience at the top levels. But Donovan is clearly re-earning his spot on the first team, I doubt it will be an issue if he continues to be brought in slowly (i.e. as a backup at first, then possibly a starter).

My take on some of the other guys:

I think Eddie Johnson probably deserves a backup role on that first team. I know he's inconsistent, but he seems improved over his past appearances even before this Gold cup, with a more well-rounded game and better work rate.

Corona might be worth a look on the first squad also.

The other guys on this team are wait and see. Shea had a moment of good play thanks to a nice set-up from Donovan, but has been awful otherwise. Really hope Stoke can help him, and not just park him on the bench for poor play. 

I'm a fan of Gomez, because he works hard and does a lot of the little things well, but I'm not sure he plays over other guys at this point. Maybe as a backup in the top spot.

Wondo has finally had some good fortune in this tournament, but he sure seems to squander a lot of good opportunities. Perhaps a little unfair, but I can't help thinking he would go back to having trouble when better competition gives him less time and space to finish, as his technique seems to break down a lot when under pressure (lots of sky balls and scuffed shots).

Torres is decent, but who does he play over? He seems to do best when he can control how the ball moves around, but at the top levels that gets harder to do and he isn't the fastest guy, so other speedsters seem to give him trouble.

Beckerman again has good play against inferior competition, so it's tempting to think he might earn a spot with the WC team. But once the speed picks up, he will again show he's a major liability.

Besler has probably worked into a backup role, unless guys get injured, but he does seem like he's still learning proper positioning.

Beasley seems to be the default option at left back, but I'd sure like to see someone else there. He's good for about 2-3 bad defensive plays a game, though he has helped the attack at times. I'm glad to see him playing a role again on the national team (because I think he works hard and has a good attitude), but he relies on his speed a lot and just isn't fast enough at this point.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 22, 2013, 12:14:47 pm
The El Salvador game sold so well because of all the Salvadoran ex-pats in the Bmore area. That stadium was about 75% El Salv blue. Their money is just as green, but I'd rather see more USA fans. 
 
Ken, your player breakdown is really good. Echo'd so many of my thoughts - Donovan, Corona, Eddie Johnson especially. Eddie is really improved.
 
And I agree that Wondo squanders opportunities. He is tiny, lacks athleticism and his technique is not great. He was scoring against bad competition on instinct, but that ended when we started him. At best, in my mind, he's a deep bench, hail mary type of sub. He's never going to be starter material.
 
Will disagree on Beckerman. Maybe he's a super guy, but he does nothing for me as a fan. He is slow, his techinque is questionable, and his instincts are nothing special. Beasley at least has some speed and as noted can help on the attack. If Beckerman is a real option on the A team then we have found a weakness.
 
And FWIW I agree on Beasley too - he's not ideal at left back.
 
But I really do love how this team is constantly on the attack. Beasley still running hard to get open on the attack in the closing minutes yesterday was great.
 
The entire squad (A&B teams) has a pretty solid identity at this point. Solid up front and in the middle, and deep at GK (knock on wood), with a questionable back line. As things progress, I suspect we'll be giving up goals every game in qualifying and round 1 play in the Cup, but I think we may just have the offense nailed down enough to overcome it. I don't think we're going to be scoring 4 goals against WC teams, but I don't see us losing 1-nil either. We're probably going to have to win a bunch of 2-1 or 3-2 type games.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on July 22, 2013, 12:15:51 pm
Landon Donovan is on fire right now. You can tell this squad really respects him.


Wonder if he'd get the same treatment from the "A" squad that he basically quit on.
Probably not to the same degree, because there's a lot more guys on the A team with experience at the top levels. But Donovan is clearly re-earning his spot on the first team, I doubt it will be an issue if he continues to be brought in slowly (i.e. as a backup at first, then possibly a starter).

My take on some of the other guys:

I think Eddie Johnson probably deserves a backup role on that first team. I know he's inconsistent, but he seems improved over his past appearances even before this Gold cup, with a more well-rounded game and better work rate.

Corona might be worth a look on the first squad also.

The other guys on this team are wait and see. Shea had a moment of good play thanks to a nice set-up from Donovan, but has been awful otherwise. Really hope Stoke can help him, and not just park him on the bench for poor play. 

I'm a fan of Gomez, because he works hard and does a lot of the little things well, but I'm not sure he plays over other guys at this point. Maybe as a backup in the top spot.

Wondo has finally had some good fortune in this tournament, but he sure seems to squander a lot of good opportunities. Perhaps a little unfair, but I can't help thinking he would go back to having trouble when better competition gives him less time and space to finish, as his technique seems to break down a lot when under pressure (lots of sky balls and scuffed shots).

Torres is decent, but who does he play over? He seems to do best when he can control how the ball moves around, but at the top levels that gets harder to do and he isn't the fastest guy, so other speedsters seem to give him trouble.

Beckerman again has good play against inferior competition, so it's tempting to think he might earn a spot with the WC team. But once the speed picks up, he will again show he's a major liability.

Besler has probably worked into a backup role, unless guys get injured, but he does seem like he's still learning proper positioning.

Beasley seems to be the default option at left back, but I'd sure like to see someone else there. He's good for about 2-3 bad defensive plays a game, though he has helped the attack at times. I'm glad to see him playing a role again on the national team (because I think he works hard and has a good attitude), but he relies on his speed a lot and just isn't fast enough at this point.


If he's our LB next summer in Brazil we are in trouble.  I think there are definitely better options there (Fabian Johnson for one).


If some unknown El Salvadorian striker was destroying him the other day, what will he do against the likes of Robben?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on July 22, 2013, 12:28:20 pm
My biggest disappointment from this GC was Jack McInerney not getting much time and then being sent back to Philly.  I am really interested in seeing how he develops.  He's just been on fire as of late.  I'd much rather see him cut his teeth than a guy like Wondo, who is never going to be an answer at the A team level.




I agree on Beasley.  If he's there for Brazil we are screwed.  The fact that guys like Beasley, Beckerman,  kljestan keep getting call ups dumbfound me.   
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 22, 2013, 03:18:40 pm
I guess I'm in the minority on Wondo. He's not a pure striker at all, more of a poacher, but a goal scorer is a goal scorer.


If he finds the net again this Gold Cup, not sure how he doesn't make the qualifying squad.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 23, 2013, 12:22:56 am
 
At the USMNT hotel today:
 
(http://distilleryimage6.ak.instagram.com/276aa064f32d11e2986122000a9f194c_7.jpg)
 
 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on July 23, 2013, 10:00:49 am
I guess I'm in the minority on Wondo. He's not a pure striker at all, more of a poacher, but a goal scorer is a goal scorer.


If he finds the net again this Gold Cup, not sure how he doesn't make the qualifying squad.


I think Wondo could very easily take Kljestan's spot on the "A" squad.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Run49er on August 03, 2013, 02:41:57 pm
With the announcement earlier this week that the MLS will expand to 24 teams by 2020, sportswriter Joe Prince-Wrights ponders on where the  additional franchises might land.
 
NBCSports.com: Which cities will be home to the four new MLS expansion franchises? (http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/01/which-cities-will-be-home-to-the-four-new-mls-expansion-franchises/)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 03, 2013, 03:00:52 pm
I find it shocking and disheartening that The RailHawks are getting no mention in this expansion talk. They have already expanded their stadium to 10K draw great crowds and great regional attendance as well. They are also in a soccer mad tei city area that would support MLS like no other. With only 1 other major league team in the area (hockey) MLS would dominate there. MLS would have a team in the heart of the 8th most populous state in the nation.

Putting a team in Miami is ridiculous. They have already had a chance and failed. Miami is a HORRIBLE town for supporting their teams.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 03, 2013, 03:02:19 pm
The RailHawks also provide gainful employment for ex Niner Floyd Franks. That makes them even cooler.  :D
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on August 03, 2013, 05:27:33 pm
I saw Raleigh mentioned before in an article.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ImfromClayton on August 03, 2013, 05:31:27 pm
I think they'll add the two teams in florida, and add two teams in the midwest.  MLS understands something that C-USA tried to do, giving teams a rival.  I think North Carolina will get a team when Atlanta gets a team, and it won't be this round of expansion. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 03, 2013, 08:51:17 pm
Hopefully we get the sometimes rumored MLS.2 and some promotion regulation. No way that doesn't include the RailHawks. But I bet we are a decade away from that at least.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on December 06, 2013, 01:10:35 pm
World Cup groups are set.


What do you guys think about the USMNT's chance to get out of its group?


Germany
Ghana
Portugal
US


The first game against Ghana is basically a must-win.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: UC Niner on December 06, 2013, 01:18:54 pm
World Cup groups are set.


What do you guys think about the USMNT's chance to get out of its group?


Germany
Ghana
Portugal
US


The first game against Ghana is basically a must-win.

We won't beat Germany, but we need to keep it close and not let their strikers demolish our back line (so hope Germany takes it easy on us) for possible tiebreaker scenarios (mainly goal differential).  I think the U.S. can get out of this group.  The U.S. is a better team than Ghana, and really Portugal for that matter.  Portugal has Ronaldo, who is arguably the best player in the world right now (with Messi injured).  We'll see though.  I definitely think it's possible for the U.S. to advnace.   
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on December 06, 2013, 01:31:10 pm
Oh great, Ghana again. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on December 06, 2013, 01:31:43 pm
World Cup groups are set.


What do you guys think about the USMNT's chance to get out of its group?


Germany
Ghana
Portugal
US


The first game against Ghana is basically a must-win.
A bad group to get, but not insurmountable. The order of games helps (Ghana-Portugal-Germany), as long as the US can win the first game. Will have to get a point against Portugal or Germany's subs (hopefully, if Germany takes care of business).

The worst group was definitely Group B, so it could be worse. If the US was in Australia's spot, I'd say we have basically no chance.

Brazil, Argentina, and Columbia got about as good a draw as you could expect. Could write some really good conspiracy theories with this, considering these are the three highest population centers in proximity to the games. Two of the three weakest seeds (Switzerland and to a lesser extend Belgium) got good draws too, which could blunt criticism of them being seeded if they make the next round.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on December 06, 2013, 02:05:20 pm
Germany?  Portugal?  & Ghana beat us last time?  We're screwed.  When is 2018?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on December 06, 2013, 02:12:04 pm
Ony one match in Manaus.  I don't think any team wants to play in the Amazon. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on December 06, 2013, 02:58:38 pm
After thinking about it for a while, its a manageable draw. 


Ghana is a must win.  Draw Portugal. Pray that Germany beats the piss out of both Ghana and the fighting Ronaldos.  Then we play bunker ball to a draw in the 3rd match. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on December 06, 2013, 04:14:26 pm
Of course the other conspiracy theory is France:   http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/world-cup-potgate-scandal-sees-france-earn-easy-205635811.html (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/world-cup-potgate-scandal-sees-france-earn-easy-205635811.html)
 And naturally, after changing the rules in a way that could benefit France, they end up in probably the easiest group. Very fishy.

I can't believe the rest of the confederations approved this, but maybe they thought there'd be a good chance their teams would end up in the easier group. My suspicion is that there was quid-pro-quo of some kind involved, possibly involving swiss bank accounts given that's the way that FIFA seems to have handled other decisions.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on December 06, 2013, 04:46:22 pm
With a field like this, there won't be any "USMNT failed to live up to expectations" talk. However, I think it's reasonable to think that we should get out of this group in 2nd place. Portugal are typical underperformers and I don't see how we couldn't beat them.


England's probably got a tougher draw than us now that I've had time to reflect on it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ZombieLew on December 06, 2013, 09:42:30 pm
Germany?  Portugal?  & Ghana beat us last time?  We're screwed.  When is 2018?

... four and a half years from now.
Title: Re: Soccer/Football thread
Post by: J Feet on March 26, 2014, 03:57:50 pm
Julian Green officially declares his intentions to play for the US instead of Germany. Will probably make his debut for the USMNT against Mexico next week.


Think he'll make the official World Cup roster?


Nice to see players of this caliber starting to choose the US. http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2014/03/140326-MNT-Roster.aspx (http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2014/03/140326-MNT-Roster.aspx)
Title: Re: Soccer/Football thread
Post by: 49erFan1 on March 26, 2014, 04:27:57 pm
Julian Green officially declares his intentions to play for the US instead of Germany. Will probably make his debut for the USMNT against Mexico next week.


Think he'll make the official World Cup roster?


Nice to see players of this caliber starting to choose the US. http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2014/03/140326-MNT-Roster.aspx (http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2014/03/140326-MNT-Roster.aspx)


More good news Gedion Zelalem declined to accept an invite to play with the German National Team in an upcoming match.   He's a player who once he is a citizen (currently a resident of the US) would be eligible for the USMNT.  He's an Arsenal youth player and an impressive one at that.  He's compared frequently with Cesc Fabregas.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on March 27, 2014, 08:02:20 am
Has everyone picked an MLS squad yet?


I've officially hopped on the Toronto FC bandwagon. Bradley and Defoe have them off to a 2-0 start, and are looking like a contender so far.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49erAlumnus on March 27, 2014, 09:58:05 am
Celtic wrapped up their 3rd straight Scottish Premiership title last night. That will keep them in the CL qualifiers.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on March 27, 2014, 10:32:19 am
Has everyone picked an MLS squad yet?


I've officially hopped on the Toronto FC bandwagon. Bradley and Defoe have them off to a 2-0 start, and are looking like a contender so far.


I pull for DC United largely because they're local
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 14, 2014, 04:08:38 pm
MLS team in Atlanta?!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140414/mls-atlanta-expansion-arthur-blank-don-garber.ap/


Will play in the new stadium as well. Unless you're filling it like Seattle does, a football stadium makes a bad place to house an MLS team, IMO.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 14, 2014, 05:55:24 pm
MLS team in Atlanta?!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140414/mls-atlanta-expansion-arthur-blank-don-garber.ap/


Will play in the new stadium as well. Unless you're filling it like Seattle does, a football stadium makes a bad place to house an MLS team, IMO.

I feel like MLS is screwing up a bit on their recent expansions. Orlando yes, because they had a great organic thing going with Orlando City FC, but NYCFC, Miami and especially Atlanta seems like a stretch. Seems like they are just going for big money owners rather than building on top of previous soccer cultures like Portland and Seattle.

I just don't understand why Raleigh isn't getting any love from MLS. Look at what they have built with the Railhawks. Imagine what they could do in MLS.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 14, 2014, 08:13:54 pm
MLS team in Atlanta?!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140414/mls-atlanta-expansion-arthur-blank-don-garber.ap/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140414/mls-atlanta-expansion-arthur-blank-don-garber.ap/)


Will play in the new stadium as well. Unless you're filling it like Seattle does, a football stadium makes a bad place to house an MLS team, IMO.

I feel like MLS is screwing up a bit on their recent expansions. Orlando yes, because they had a great organic thing going with Orlando City FC, but NYCFC, Miami and especially Atlanta seems like a stretch. Seems like they are just going for big money owners rather than building on top of previous soccer cultures like Portland and Seattle.

I just don't understand why Raleigh isn't getting any love from MLS. Look at what they have built with the Railhawks. Imagine what they could do in MLS.
As much as I'd prefer a team be in Charlotte, Raleigh is more likely to support it. I just don't see Miami working, nor Atlanta.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 14, 2014, 11:56:11 pm
MLS team in Atlanta?!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140414/mls-atlanta-expansion-arthur-blank-don-garber.ap/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20140414/mls-atlanta-expansion-arthur-blank-don-garber.ap/)


Will play in the new stadium as well. Unless you're filling it like Seattle does, a football stadium makes a bad place to house an MLS team, IMO.

I feel like MLS is screwing up a bit on their recent expansions. Orlando yes, because they had a great organic thing going with Orlando City FC, but NYCFC, Miami and especially Atlanta seems like a stretch. Seems like they are just going for big money owners rather than building on top of previous soccer cultures like Portland and Seattle.

I just don't understand why Raleigh isn't getting any love from MLS. Look at what they have built with the Railhawks. Imagine what they could do in MLS.
As much as I'd prefer a team be in Charlotte, Raleigh is more likely to support it. I just don't see Miami working, nor Atlanta.

I'm hoping the acquisition of the eagles USL pro franchise by the hounds comes to fruition and they play their games at memorial stadium. I will be there.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: jfickett on April 15, 2014, 09:00:20 am

Here in Jacksonville, the Armada FC is starting to create some decent buzz.  Jax is actually a very soccer-friendly city; we had one of the highest turnouts ever for a USMNT friendly against Scotland in Everbank Field just a couple years back.  The NASL expansion is trying to capitalize on that by bringing a new team here.  Dario Sala, former FC Dallas GK, has been brought on as the GM.  Local entrepreneur has put up a lot of capital to get it started and seems very dedicated.  For the time being, they will play at UNF's Hodges Stadium, but if interest warrants, they are looking at building a dedicated facility downtown near the already-existing sports complex.

http://www.armadafc.com/


Love the logo/branding.  Hopefully they can get some decent talent for the NASL level and win some games!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on April 15, 2014, 09:08:22 am
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on April 15, 2014, 09:10:51 am
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT.


Atlanta will be a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 15, 2014, 09:23:21 am
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT.
Yea.


Also, he's willing to pay the fee.


I wonder if there will ever be a true tiered system in this country with relegation. MLS 2 or something like that. Prospects are doubtful though.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on April 15, 2014, 12:00:36 pm
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT.
Yea.


Also, he's willing to pay the fee.


I wonder if there will ever be a true tiered system in this country with relegation. MLS 2 or something like that. Prospects are doubtful though.


Relegation would be nice to have but the franchise fee paid by MLS is the deal killer.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on April 15, 2014, 01:09:15 pm
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT.


Yup... Unless they find a way to really tap into the 'burbs and consistently bring those folks out, I don't see how this succeeds. 


By the way, Vancouver plays in a football stadium, on turf, converted for soccer and it's not bad:
http://backpagefootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bc-place-04.jpg (http://backpagefootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bc-place-04.jpg)


We all know how folks feel about soccer in the Pacific Northwest though.  Atlanta barely supports the major league franchises it has now.  For a city that size it really is embarrassing.


As for the relegation aspect, Don Garber seems to be furthering himself from that more in more.  In a recent interview when he was asked about it he basically said "heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no" in so many words.


I see MLS as a league of 30 teams (similar to all the other major sports) in 20-25 years with conferences & divisions etc.  My one wish for MLS is to switch to a single table format but I don't see that happening as the league continues to grow.  They could still keep the playoff feel if they ever invested any serious coin into the Lamar Hunt US Open Cup.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 15, 2014, 04:24:51 pm

Here in Jacksonville, the Armada FC is starting to create some decent buzz.  Jax is actually a very soccer-friendly city; we had one of the highest turnouts ever for a USMNT friendly against Scotland in Everbank Field just a couple years back.  The NASL expansion is trying to capitalize on that by bringing a new team here.  Dario Sala, former FC Dallas GK, has been brought on as the GM.  Local entrepreneur has put up a lot of capital to get it started and seems very dedicated.  For the time being, they will play at UNF's Hodges Stadium, but if interest warrants, they are looking at building a dedicated facility downtown near the already-existing sports complex.

http://www.armadafc.com/


Love the logo/branding.  Hopefully they can get some decent talent for the NASL level and win some games!

Their crest and name are awesome. Forgive my ignorance but Jacksonville has a big Navy base right?  So that flows with the name if that is the case. The fact that 3rd and 2nd tier football is still growing in the US is a great sign.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 15, 2014, 04:29:11 pm
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT.


Yup... Unless they find a way to really tap into the 'burbs and consistently bring those folks out, I don't see how this succeeds. 


By the way, Vancouver plays in a football stadium, on turf, converted for soccer and it's not bad:
http://backpagefootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bc-place-04.jpg (http://backpagefootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bc-place-04.jpg)


We all know how folks feel about soccer in the Pacific Northwest though.  Atlanta barely supports the major league franchises it has now.  For a city that size it really is embarrassing.


As for the relegation aspect, Don Garber seems to be furthering himself from that more in more.  In a recent interview when he was asked about it he basically said "heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no" in so many words.


I see MLS as a league of 30 teams (similar to all the other major sports) in 20-25 years with conferences & divisions etc.  My one wish for MLS is to switch to a single table format but I don't see that happening as the league continues to grow.  They could still keep the playoff feel if they ever invested any serious coin into the Lamar Hunt US Open Cup.

They lost the possibility of promotion relegation when they started selling off all the franchises to various investors. Only the original core group of investors probably would have gone for and expanded 2 division single entity. Now it's too late.

It's too bad because I am convinced that promotion/relegation is the only thing that could putt soccer over the top in the US in foreseeable future. Going to take a couple more generations of growth without it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 15, 2014, 04:30:03 pm
Greensboro will now have its own NPSL squad: Gate City FC. http://gatecityfc.com/ They are playing in Grimsley's Stadium, so not exactly big time soccer.


They did sign Jennings Rex though, so I may have to go watch. Have no idea how high or low NPSL is on the scale.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on April 15, 2014, 04:38:08 pm
I'm hoping they prove me wrong, but the Atlanta franchise "feels" like a disaster waiting to happen.  a non soccer specific 30k capacity stadium, on turf, in a bad sports town.  Its just seems like a nod to Arthur Blank since he has thrown a ton of money at MLS and the USNT.
Yea.


Also, he's willing to pay the fee.


I wonder if there will ever be a true tiered system in this country with relegation. MLS 2 or something like that. Prospects are doubtful though.


Relegation would be nice to have but the franchise fee paid by MLS is the deal killer.
This is what makes me wonder if a relegation system will have to be grown in competition with MLS. Right now the country can't support so many leagues because the soccer fan base isn't there (yet). But eventually I bet a competing league to MLS with a relegation system may force the MLS to change how they're doing things. Maybe the NASL could set that up somehow, though I have no idea if they're at all interested in it either.

MLS in its current form just doesn't have enough talent to excite me as a soccer fan that isn't living near a current franchise because I can watch games from anywhere in the world right now. But add in relegation battles and a chance of a local team rising up (which would be really cool if you're invested in it already), and I might get more interested in watching it and maybe even look harder for a nearby team to follow.

I'm not sure you'd have to sacrifice the playoffs to do it, but you might scale the playoffs back and make them a "Final Four" or something like that among the top 4 teams. I don't know, just brainstorming here.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on April 15, 2014, 05:27:23 pm
clt how about mls at the rich?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 16, 2014, 09:53:33 am

MLS in its current form just doesn't have enough talent to excite me as a soccer fan that isn't living near a current franchise because I can watch games from anywhere in the world right now. But add in relegation battles and a chance of a local team rising up (which would be really cool if you're invested in it already), and I might get more interested in watching it and maybe even look harder for a nearby team to follow.

Maybe if you spend your time only watching top teams in Champions League play wold you look at MLS as not having enough talent.


As a Norwich City fan, I've seen a lot of ho-hum football being played in the Premier League. The talent gap isn't as big as people make it out to be. Plus, MLS is starting to get some great players in the fold.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on April 16, 2014, 10:55:07 am

MLS in its current form just doesn't have enough talent to excite me as a soccer fan that isn't living near a current franchise because I can watch games from anywhere in the world right now. But add in relegation battles and a chance of a local team rising up (which would be really cool if you're invested in it already), and I might get more interested in watching it and maybe even look harder for a nearby team to follow.

Maybe if you spend your time only watching top teams in Champions League play wold you look at MLS as not having enough talent.


As a Norwich City fan, I've seen a lot of ho-hum football being played in the Premier League. The talent gap isn't as big as people make it out to be. Plus, MLS is starting to get some great players in the fold.


I actually agree with this but it's the talent gap between the top MLS teams and the top European teams that matters.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 16, 2014, 10:58:18 am

MLS in its current form just doesn't have enough talent to excite me as a soccer fan that isn't living near a current franchise because I can watch games from anywhere in the world right now. But add in relegation battles and a chance of a local team rising up (which would be really cool if you're invested in it already), and I might get more interested in watching it and maybe even look harder for a nearby team to follow.

Maybe if you spend your time only watching top teams in Champions League play wold you look at MLS as not having enough talent.


As a Norwich City fan, I've seen a lot of ho-hum football being played in the Premier League. The talent gap isn't as big as people make it out to be. Plus, MLS is starting to get some great players in the fold.


I actually agree with this but it's the talent gap between the top MLS teams and the top European teams that matters.
I guess. But I doubt any MLS team will be as good as AC Milan, Barcelona, Man U, etc.


MLS just needs to stay the course, it's starting to get a good thing going after a very rocky period.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on April 16, 2014, 03:25:46 pm

MLS in its current form just doesn't have enough talent to excite me as a soccer fan that isn't living near a current franchise because I can watch games from anywhere in the world right now. But add in relegation battles and a chance of a local team rising up (which would be really cool if you're invested in it already), and I might get more interested in watching it and maybe even look harder for a nearby team to follow.

Maybe if you spend your time only watching top teams in Champions League play wold you look at MLS as not having enough talent.


As a Norwich City fan, I've seen a lot of ho-hum football being played in the Premier League. The talent gap isn't as big as people make it out to be. Plus, MLS is starting to get some great players in the fold.


I actually agree with this but it's the talent gap between the top MLS teams and the top European teams that matters.
I guess. But I doubt any MLS team will be as good as AC Milan, Barcelona, Man U, etc.


MLS just needs to stay the course, it's starting to get a good thing going after a very rocky period.


I guess you haven't checked the Serie A or EPL standings recently  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 16, 2014, 03:49:34 pm

MLS in its current form just doesn't have enough talent to excite me as a soccer fan that isn't living near a current franchise because I can watch games from anywhere in the world right now. But add in relegation battles and a chance of a local team rising up (which would be really cool if you're invested in it already), and I might get more interested in watching it and maybe even look harder for a nearby team to follow.

Maybe if you spend your time only watching top teams in Champions League play wold you look at MLS as not having enough talent.


As a Norwich City fan, I've seen a lot of ho-hum football being played in the Premier League. The talent gap isn't as big as people make it out to be. Plus, MLS is starting to get some great players in the fold.


I actually agree with this but it's the talent gap between the top MLS teams and the top European teams that matters.
I guess. But I doubt any MLS team will be as good as AC Milan, Barcelona, Man U, etc.


MLS just needs to stay the course, it's starting to get a good thing going after a very rocky period.


I guess you haven't checked the Serie A or EPL standings recently  ;D ;D
You get my point. And yes I check the EPL standings quite frequently, though lately I've just looked at the bottom.  ???
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 19, 2014, 11:56:55 pm
Charlotte Eagles are playing Chicago fire reserved at Transamerica field Friday at 7.  Might be interesting.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on May 23, 2014, 01:44:07 pm
any thoughts on the final WC roster? 


On its face, I dont have a problem with Landon being left off.  He's seemed disinterested and out of shape for a long long time to me.  And he basically quit so he doesnt have a leg to stand on imo.


But with that said, its hard for me to believe that a guy like Beckerman, Davis, or  Julian Green (who i think WILL be good) are a better selection. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on May 23, 2014, 01:57:26 pm
 
I guess I have to resign myself to the thought that Beckerman is Klinnsman's John Fox/Hurney guy. Doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do for us, they just want him on the squad.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on May 23, 2014, 02:51:11 pm
Beckerman is the new Kljestan to me.  I cant figure out the reason for his call ups
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 23, 2014, 02:54:38 pm
Beckerman shouldn't see much of the field as long as Bradley and Jones stay healthy. Bradley is the most talented guy on the field, IMO, and Jones is more of Klinsmann's guy than Beckerman is.


I think Green got his call up as a promise for pledging his allegiance to the USMNT. Hopefully it pays off.


The move to not bring Donovan is shocking, but Klinsmann has been hinting at it, and I don't think the two of them were ever on the same page. I wouldn't be surprised if some on the team don't view him very favorably after the sabbatical, letting them go to Mexico without him.


That said, there is a lot of talent in the US right now, no international-level superstars, but a lot of great players.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on May 23, 2014, 03:36:15 pm
 
I was suprised that Wondo made the cut.
 
I hope Diskerud has a great Cup. Our back line is pretty awful. Someone's gotta score for us. We need creative players like Mix to make opportunities for us. This will be a huge stage for him - probably too big. Would be a welcome surprise if he settles in and makes things happen when he gets on the field.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 23, 2014, 03:45:35 pm

I was suprised that Wondo made the cut.
 
He's got 5 goals in 9 games so far this season for the Quakes, 15 total shots on goal. Also scored in recent USMNT games too. Might be peaking at just the right time.


Plus, he's the type of guy you love to cheer for. Down to earth, but tons of energy and living the dream.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on May 23, 2014, 07:26:10 pm
I love wondo. I hope he gets his chance in Brazil. I think he might.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on May 27, 2014, 02:44:06 pm
 
Reminder:
 
USA vs Azerbajian (Friendly, WC Tuneup)
 
When: Tuesday, May 27 at 10 p.m. EDT
Where: Candlestick Park; San Francisco, California
TV: ESPN2
Live Stream: WatchESPN
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 27, 2014, 02:58:11 pm

Reminder:
 
USA vs Azerbajian (Friendly, WC Tuneup)
 
When: Tuesday, May 27 at 10 p.m. EDT
Where: Candlestick Park; San Francisco, California
TV: ESPN2
Live Stream: WatchESPN
Hopefully it doesn't happen, but if it does... is Donovan now first in line if someone gets injured before June 2nd?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on May 27, 2014, 03:00:16 pm

Reminder:
 
USA vs Azerbajian (Friendly, WC Tuneup)
 
When: Tuesday, May 27 at 10 p.m. EDT
Where: Candlestick Park; San Francisco, California
TV: ESPN2
Live Stream: WatchESPN
Hopefully it doesn't happen, but if it does... is Donovan now first in line if someone gets injured before June 2nd?


Has to be. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on May 27, 2014, 04:11:52 pm

Reminder:
 
USA vs Azerbajian (Friendly, WC Tuneup)
 
When: Tuesday, May 27 at 10 p.m. EDT
Where: Candlestick Park; San Francisco, California
TV: ESPN2
Live Stream: WatchESPN
Hopefully it doesn't happen, but if it does... is Donovan now first in line if someone gets injured before June 2nd?


Has to be.


One of 7 who would likely be brought on potentially.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2014, 08:12:35 am
Nice to see us close it out last night vs. Azerbaijan.


Altidore looks rusty, but he did do a great job at times of holding the ball and waiting for someone to pass to.


I'm on board with Lalas about Wondo, he will score in the World Cup.


Bradley and Jones looked out of sync with each other in the midfield for the entire first half. Opened up in the second, but after we scored both appeared to have tired legs. They have been practicing hard for a week or so now, so it's understandable.


Brad Davis was put on this team for his free kick accuracy, and it might just pay off. Will it work against the likes of Portugal and Germany though?


Defense needs work. That's an understatement. Hopefully after these three games they will improve communication and marking. CR7 would've had 3 goals last night.


All in all, I'm still feeling optimistic. Lots of talent on this squad.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on May 28, 2014, 08:32:29 am
I thought chandler looked pretty good. But I doubt he can get that involved in the attack against the group of death.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2014, 08:36:49 am
Also, to put it into perspective, Portugal beat the same team 2-0 and 3-0. We had at least one, maybe two, penalties that weren't called, and Wondo may have put that first one away given a proper warm up.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on May 28, 2014, 09:10:41 am
Wondo is weird.  There's nothing imposing about him and he's not a speedster, but the guy just gets free and can score.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2014, 09:13:19 am
Wondo is weird.  There's nothing imposing about him and he's not a speedster, but the guy just gets free and can score.
Poacher. Pure and simple. Mix of effort, smarts and luck.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on May 28, 2014, 09:20:14 am
Also, I thought about everyone chipping in $5 or $10 and pooling our money to buy Cass a Kyle Beckerman jersey.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2014, 09:22:50 am
Also, I thought about everyone chipping in $5 or $10 and pooling our money to buy Cass a Kyle Beckerman jersey.
You can get one on aliexpress.com for $20 total.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on May 28, 2014, 11:58:55 am
Also, I thought about everyone chipping in $5 or $10 and pooling our money to buy Cass a Kyle Beckerman jersey.
You can get one on aliexpress.com for $20 total.


Is that a cheap indian one?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on May 28, 2014, 12:04:16 pm
I dont know how much you can take away from this result considering Azerbaijan plays such an ugly, ugly style of soccer.  But for as frustrating as that bunker style is to play against, you do see it often in the group stages of WC games as teams try to not make stupid mistakes.  Obviously though none in our group will be putting 10 men back though.


We continue to struggle with any sort of creativity in the final 3rd, but thats nothing new.  Its really one of the things that separates teams like the US vs teams like Germany.  Until we can find that, we will look stagnant.  I dont think its on this team personally.


I do have some concerns about the midfield.  I know that JK likes that diamond formation but i think it neuters Bradley a bit.  There just seems to be little cohesion between Bradley, Zusi, Bedoya, and Jones. 


Nice to see Mix play so well. 


Wondo has got to convert the chances he had early.  Unmarked headers that deep in the box have got to get finished.


Timmy Chandler still not giving ANYTHING out there.  So frustrating.


Turkey will be a better test imo.  Especially for the defense
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on May 28, 2014, 12:59:57 pm
Also, I thought about everyone chipping in $5 or $10 and pooling our money to buy Cass a Kyle Beckerman jersey.


LOL


I saw Beckerman on that ESPN doc and he was talking about how he used to sign his notes as Kyle Beckerman US Soccer #15 when he was still a kid.  He seemed like a super good dude and i felt bad for about half a second giving him as much s*** as i do.


That will all go away the moment I see him on the field again
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2014, 01:25:04 pm
Also, I thought about everyone chipping in $5 or $10 and pooling our money to buy Cass a Kyle Beckerman jersey.
You can get one on aliexpress.com for $20 total.


Is that a cheap indian one?
Either from China or Taiwan, typically. I've got a couple, they aren't bad, actually.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2014, 01:30:38 pm
We continue to struggle with any sort of creativity in the final 3rd, but thats nothing new.  Its really one of the things that separates teams like the US vs teams like Germany.  Until we can find that, we will look stagnant.  I dont think its on this team personally.

I do have some concerns about the midfield.  I know that JK likes that diamond formation but i think it neuters Bradley a bit.  There just seems to be little cohesion between Bradley, Zusi, Bedoya, and Jones. 

Nice to see Mix play so well. 
US typically has been one of the most athletic teams in any tourney, but we always lacked creativity and finesse. Got by on hunkering down and then using speed to score goals on the counter or size in set pieces. I think guys like Mix and Johannsson bring that creativity, and Klinsmann has been challenging everyone on the team to take people on.


The lack of creativity has been an issue for American soccer at all levels, but the youth are being taught differently now. I watched some state cup prelim games a few weekends ago and was blown away by how often players were going one-on-one. Completely different than what I was taught.



I agree about the diamond, Bradley and Beckerman work well together better than Bradley and Jones. But I think Jones still has a higher ceiling in WC play. IF he gets more comfortable with this defensive role, it should allow Bradley the freedom to move forward.


Still excited about this World Cup.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49erFan1 on May 28, 2014, 04:47:10 pm
Also, I thought about everyone chipping in $5 or $10 and pooling our money to buy Cass a Kyle Beckerman jersey.


Save your money and buy Beckerman a hair cut...
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49erFan1 on May 28, 2014, 04:57:09 pm
My Thoughts on the Friendly:


1.) Lots of cheap turnovers in the midfield.  Portugal would easily have put 2 goals past us yesterday. 
2.) A number of missed chances.  Wondo gets lots of praise, but in the World Cup he'd be a scape goat for missing those two sitters.  Can't miss those at the international level.  He also gave the ball away way too often.  Johansson should be the first option off the bench after last night.
3.) We struggle for spacing and movement in the midfield.  Bradley and Jones don't play like guys who trust the other to cover them on a run.
4.) Thought Bedoya was a joke offensively, one good cross and about 10 balls lost. I'm still struggling to believe that he's a better option than LD.  I think JK just likes the fact that he's in Europe. 
5.) Zusi will be playing in Europe soon.  Probably after the World Cup.
6.) Brad Davis is slow.  Can't see him being of much use versus this group.  I wonder if he's a locker room pick.  Would have liked to see Julian Green
7.) Yedlin is fast, but he doesn't trust his touch in defense and he fouls too much.
8.) Chandler is a physical specimen but seems clumsy going forward.
9.) Fabian Johnson is going to be a monster at Right Back. 
10.) Gonzalez looks more than a step slow due to his knee injury.  Besler looked better as the game went on.  Cameron was a rock.
11.) If Jermaine Jones and Bradley can figure out how to play together we'll have a very very good midfield.
12.) Jozy holds the ball up well, but I think he moves out to the wings too often.  Doesn't attack the ball.  Plays like he has no confidence.  But I did like towards the end of the game when he dispossessed his man and lined up a shot from 30 yards.  That's what you expect a striker to do, have a go sometimes.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on May 29, 2014, 09:20:14 am
We continue to struggle with any sort of creativity in the final 3rd, but thats nothing new.  Its really one of the things that separates teams like the US vs teams like Germany.  Until we can find that, we will look stagnant.  I dont think its on this team personally.

I do have some concerns about the midfield.  I know that JK likes that diamond formation but i think it neuters Bradley a bit.  There just seems to be little cohesion between Bradley, Zusi, Bedoya, and Jones. 

Nice to see Mix play so well. 
US typically has been one of the most athletic teams in any tourney, but we always lacked creativity and finesse. Got by on hunkering down and then using speed to score goals on the counter or size in set pieces. I think guys like Mix and Johannsson bring that creativity, and Klinsmann has been challenging everyone on the team to take people on.


The lack of creativity has been an issue for American soccer at all levels, but the youth are being taught differently now. I watched some state cup prelim games a few weekends ago and was blown away by how often players were going one-on-one. Completely different than what I was taught.



I agree about the diamond, Bradley and Beckerman work well together better than Bradley and Jones. But I think Jones still has a higher ceiling in WC play. IF he gets more comfortable with this defensive role, it should allow Bradley the freedom to move forward.


Still excited about this World Cup.




You know my feelings on Jermaine Jones... I actually thought he played pretty well against Azerbaijan but it's hard to really rate our performance versus such a weak opponent.  That was some of the worst set piece marking I've ever seen. 


Back to Jones though.  I think his passing going forward is better than Beckerman's and in the role he plays on the field the transition pass from defense to attack is key.  However, I feel like he will lose the ball in that position once or twice a game and against the speed we'll face from Ghana, Portugal and Germany, that will be deadly.  Beckerman would offer a much more conservative presence but he probably wouldn't be allowed to cross into the attacking third. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on June 02, 2014, 10:20:17 am
US vs Turkey thoughts?


Much better offensive movement during the first half.  Bradley and Jones seemed better connected (even though Jones continues to turn the ball over too often) and we had a tons of chances.  Zusi with a few great services.  That Johnson goal was class.


Jozy has GOT to get some finesse to his game.  He relies far to much on his size and strength and it leads to a lot of whistles.  Still i think he had a nice showing and really opened up space.  Dempsey looked unfazed by the injury. 


Oh man that backline.  Timmy Chandler should absolutely not see the field.  He just seems like he goes through the motions.  Yedlin showed some promise after a few giveaways early.  Brooks isnt ready.  Beasley looks to be our best option at LB as crazy as that is to type.  The thought of Ronaldo and Nani getting the type of space Turkey had today scares the s*** out of me.


Julian Green looked like a kid out there, which isnt surprising since he is a kid out there.  He needs time.  If someone can explain Brad Davis or Green being on this team over Donovan i'd love to hear it.  Brad Davis is not international quality. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 02, 2014, 10:39:48 am
US vs Turkey thoughts?


Much better offensive movement during the first half.  Bradley and Jones seemed better connected (even though Jones continues to turn the ball over too often) and we had a tons of chances.  Zusi with a few great services.  That Johnson goal was class.


Jozy has GOT to get some finesse to his game.  He relies far to much on his size and strength and it leads to a lot of whistles.  Still i think he had a nice showing and really opened up space.  Dempsey looked unfazed by the injury. 


Oh man that backline.  Timmy Chandler should absolutely not see the field.  He just seems like he goes through the motions.  Yedlin showed some promise after a few giveaways early.  Brooks isnt ready.  Beasley looks to be our best option at LB as crazy as that is to type.  The thought of Ronaldo and Nani getting the type of space Turkey had today scares the s*** out of me.


Julian Green looked like a kid out there, which isnt surprising since he is a kid out there.  He needs time.  If someone can explain Brad Davis or Green being on this team over Donovan i'd love to hear it.  Brad Davis is not international quality.
Brad Davis is on the roster for one thing: Free Kicks. He's extremely accurate and the US might only be able to score from set pieces against the better teams. Won't get many chances in the run of play. I like to think he'll be an 80 minutes gone, we need a goal, substitution.


Green's selection is for the future, give him a chance to learn and gain invaluable experience.


Donovan isn't there because going into camp he wasn't in top shape, hadn't looked good in MLS play and, oh yea, quit on his team 2 years ago. We know JK hated that break, and I'm sure the team didn't like it either. He would've been coming off the bench anyway, not sure he would've accepted that.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on June 02, 2014, 11:33:33 am
The US doesnt have the depth to take fliers on guys like Green or Davis during a world cup.  Unless you are planning on punting the world cup.  And you never punt on a cup.  I think Green will be fine with age and experience, but he's not there yet and will not help this team.   I know people think Davis is some set piece maestro but he's not.  Its his strength for sure, but its not as if he's some Del Piero.


Like i said before, on its face i dont have an issue with Donovan not being selected.  His sabbatical didnt sit well with JK and I get that.  But you cant say that he wasnt selected because he was disinterested and then bring in a guy like Chandler.  Or say that he isnt in top form and then bring in a guy like Jozy.  Its just hard for me to fathom that we are trotting guys like Green and Davis out there while he is sitting at home.   He can help us win now.  They cant.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 02, 2014, 12:01:41 pm
Cass already covered most of what I had to say.
 
Emphatic agreement on "you don't punt a world cup". And that's what leaving Donovan at home in favor of Chandler and these kids looks like.
 
Also, that service by Zusi to Green was stupid good. Just ridiculous. It was even better than Bradley's, but won't get talked about because Green's first touch was crap and he didn't convert.
 
We have way too many guys on the offensive end whose first touch is never good enough. That is why we don't score more. Altidore included. He should have had 1-2 goals yesterday. A better striker would have. Green is just a kid, but if he is going to materialize, he has to convert a pass like that one.
 
Parallel the women's team - I can name several of the younger forwards who would have converted that Zusi service, even early in their careers. They're just better players, relative to their competition.
 
But damn that ball was on target. That is so hard to do and he put it "right between the numbers", in stride, on the run himself. That was a world class pass.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on June 02, 2014, 04:29:53 pm
Cass already covered most of what I had to say.
 
Emphatic agreement on "you don't punt a world cup". And that's what leaving Donovan at home in favor of Chandler and these kids looks like.
 
Also, that service by Zusi to Green was stupid good. Just ridiculous. It was even better than Bradley's, but won't get talked about because Green's first touch was crap and he didn't convert.
 
We have way too many guys on the offensive end whose first touch is never good enough. That is why we don't score more. Altidore included. He should have had 1-2 goals yesterday. A better striker would have. Green is just a kid, but if he is going to materialize, he has to convert a pass like that one.
 
Parallel the women's team - I can name several of the younger forwards who would have converted that Zusi service, even early in their careers. They're just better players, relative to their competition.
 
But damn that ball was on target. That is so hard to do and he put it "right between the numbers", in stride, on the run himself. That was a world class pass.


Men's and women's soccer are two completely different sports.  A top level women's soccer player was probably not even going to be in that position to take the ball because she would have been shoved off her spot because of lack of strength or because she lacked the pace to get to that spot.  We're criticizing an 18 year old for not taking a 40 yard ball perfectly.  At least he made the run and was there to receive the pass.  I bet if he gets that chance again he'll put it away.  I've seen multiple forward balls hit off of Altidore like he's a brick wall.  I think you guys are being unfair towards these guys and the selection.  I don't think Donovan was going to be the difference at this World Cup between losing to Ghana/Germany/Portugal or winning.  In all likelihood he was probably going to come off the bench.  It was mostly the shock value of actually seeing that headline "Donovan Left Off US World Cup Roster" that enraged everyone but the truth is Donovan has not been a big part of this squad since JK took over (minus the B-squad that won the Gold Cup) and we just completed the most successful year in the history of the national team. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 03, 2014, 12:12:00 am
Chandler plays on the back line, where we need some proven starters, depth and a hope and a prayer to hold against the teams in our group. Donovan plays on the front line mostly at the wing. The team is much deeper there and has proven starters and fairly capable backups.

Donovan also openly admitted he simply can't train the same way anymore, which I totally understand. But the US team is about to start a grueling 3 games with long travel, short recovery, and very hot/humid conditions. You might be able to have Donovan come off the bench late and conserve energy, but that assumes we wouldn't need cover for card suspensions and injuries and that he can even pull that off given these conditions. I think Klinsmann went with athletes and recovery over skill when picking against Donovan. I'm not sure it was a good choice, but then I haven't seen Donovan training lately.

I think you also have to consider that Klinsmann puts a ton of value in building good team chemistry. I think there are a lot of guys that may harbor some ill will or trust issues (privately) towards Donovan, so including him on the team could've been risky for team chemistry. There's also the issue of Donovan not starting, when he's pretty used to being top dog country and club in the past (look at his issues with Beckham, which were understandable, but still worth considering). 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on June 03, 2014, 06:30:26 am
clt thinks that we need to score goals.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 05, 2014, 10:41:19 am
Here's a great read that gives a good view into how JK runs things. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/magazine/how-jurgen-klinsmann-plans-to-make-us-soccer-better-and-less-american.html


His comment about Americans rewarding players based on past performance rather than current performance is pretty telling. Look at how Panthers fans reacted when Smitty was cut.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 08, 2014, 09:00:39 pm
Anyone feeling better about the team after the Nigeria game?


I like the Jones - Beckerman - Bradley triangle. Seemed to give us the best of all three, especially Bradley.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 09, 2014, 09:27:32 am
Anyone feeling better about the team after the Nigeria game?


I like the Jones - Beckerman - Bradley triangle. Seemed to give us the best of all three, especially Bradley.

Beckerman is as terrible as Cass says, but he allows Bradley to maximize his talents, so its a solid trade off.
 
The team also seems steadier with that triangle. It may just be a comfort level in folks knowing their roles, and familiarity.
 
I think Nigeria played terribly uninspired football on the final 3rd of the field. I hope we are not lulled into a false sense of security. We must get 3 pts against Ghana.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 09, 2014, 10:31:22 am
So the WC starts in 3 days. Any predictions at this point?

There's been interesting injury developments in our group. Reus missing hurts Germany a little bit, but they have so much awesome talent, they can probably just plug someone else in there. Bender is also injured, but less of an issue probably.  The bigger issue is probably whether Ronaldo is going to be fit for Portugal. He would probably tear apart our back line fully healthy. Hobbled, he'll probably still do damage, not sure as much though.

I still think the US fails to get out of this murderous group. We might get 3 points versus Ghana, but I doubt we take points from Germany and Portugal, and I think both those teams will put more goals in against their opponents, so even if we do take a point, goal difference probably sinks us.

Overall both Argentina and Brazil seem like teams to beat, Brazil primarily due to home field advantage, which I think will be huge given the number of divers they have. I'd say Spain is the favorite, but I'm not sure how their aging stars handle the Brazilian heat and humidity, and I still think their group might be the toughest in the competition (because I think Australia is better than their rankings indicate and think Chile is very good).  I think Belgium and Ivory Coast probably go on longer runs than expected.

I don't know if any concacaf teams make it out of their groups, all 4 got put into tough groups, especially the two strongest teams USA and Costa Rica which really got screwed. Mexico's group is easier, but they still seem weak to me. I'd say Honduras has the best shot, but it depends on whether Switzerland is really one of the better teams in Europe or not.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on June 09, 2014, 10:40:29 am
So the WC starts in 3 days. Any predictions at this point?

There's been interesting injury developments in our group. Reus missing hurts Germany a little bit, but they have so much awesome talent, they can probably just plug someone else in there. Bender is also injured, but less of an issue probably.  The bigger issue is probably whether Ronaldo is going to be fit for Portugal. He would probably tear apart our back line fully healthy. Hobbled, he'll probably still do damage, not sure as much though.

I still think the US fails to get out of this murderous group. We might get 3 points versus Ghana, but I doubt we take points from Germany and Portugal, and I think both those teams will put more goals in against their opponents, so even if we do take a point, goal difference probably sinks us.

Overall both Argentina and Brazil seem like teams to beat, Brazil primarily due to home field advantage, which I think will be huge given the number of divers they have. I'd say Spain is the favorite, but I'm not sure how their aging stars handle the Brazilian heat and humidity, and I still think their group might be the toughest in the competition (because I think Australia is better than their rankings indicate and think Chile is very good).  I think Belgium and Ivory Coast probably go on longer runs than expected.

I don't know if any concacaf teams make it out of their groups, all 4 got put into tough groups, especially the two strongest teams USA and Costa Rica which really got screwed. Mexico's group is easier, but they still seem weak to me. I'd say Honduras has the best shot, but it depends on whether Switzerland is really one of the better teams in Europe or not.


Nigeria was the African champ right? So over Ghana?  I'd say that helps our confidence going into that game but the last few times we've played Ghana we have came out completely flat, and just really uninspired.  If that changes we can beat them, and it is our best chance at 3 pts, as you mentioned.


As for Germany, the most we can hope for is a tie.  They're probably going to punk us.


Portugal, I think we can give problems, and really it will depend of the refs.  Portugal is perpetually soft, and we are fairly physical.  If they let us play our game, I think we can beat them again, if they call it tight, we're screwed.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on June 09, 2014, 12:08:50 pm
U.S. survives group play with a win over Ghana and Portugal and loss to Germany.  Loses first match after group play.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on June 09, 2014, 12:36:40 pm
I hope Ronaldo is fully fit after their first game. I want to see us go up against a Ronaldo firing on all cylinders so we can see how good our defense really is. I would hate to beat them but everyone cry foul because he was hurt or not 100%
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on June 09, 2014, 02:02:51 pm
I think Ghana is way overrated.  We pull out 3 against Ghana, draw Portugal, and lose to Germany.  We move forward on goal differential.


I'm picking Argentina to win it all.  I think Messi goes HAM on the tournament to solidify the GOAT arguments.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on June 09, 2014, 02:19:52 pm
I think Ghana is way overrated.  We pull out 3 against Ghana, draw Portugal, and lose to Germany.  We move forward on goal differential.


I'm picking Argentina to win it all.  I think Messi goes HAM on the tournament to solidify the GOAT arguments.
Is this Ghana team worse than previous Ghana WC teams?  I mean, we don't have a very good history against Ghana in WC matches.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 09, 2014, 02:49:38 pm
Portugal did not look good at all against Mexico, especially after the first 20 minutes.


Advancing out of the group is there for the taking.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on June 09, 2014, 02:51:35 pm
I think Ghana is way overrated.  We pull out 3 against Ghana, draw Portugal, and lose to Germany.  We move forward on goal differential.


I'm picking Argentina to win it all.  I think Messi goes HAM on the tournament to solidify the GOAT arguments.
Is this Ghana team worse than previous Ghana WC teams?  I mean, we don't have a very good history against Ghana in WC matches.


They have knocked us out of the previous 2 WC's.  They have talent in the midfield and some big names (Asamoah, Essien, Boateng).  Their defense is their weak link though and they give up a lot of goals on set pieces which really favors us.  In fact, all 3 teams give up the majority of their goals on set pieces.  I think 3rd time is a charm vs Ghana
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on June 09, 2014, 03:29:40 pm
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 09, 2014, 08:41:48 pm
We must get 3 pts against Ghana.

We must get 3 pts against Ghana.  If we can't do that shut it down open up shop.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 10, 2014, 10:02:18 am
Portugal did not look good at all against Mexico, especially after the first 20 minutes.


Advancing out of the group is there for the taking.
That was without Ronaldo playing though (and also a couple others). I think a lot hinges on whether he is close to full strength for our match. They have some other talented players, but he's just a killer finisher that changes the way a team plays defense. The US can win if they play really well and Ronaldo doesn't go off like he did in the qualifying match versus Sweden.

Some of Ghana's stars are getting a little older now. It'll depend on whether their younger talent steps up.

If we do somehow make it out of the group, the 2nd round sets up very well given our group is lined up with arguably the weakest group, especially after Belgium (whoever gets first probably gets the easiest 2nd round game in the competition).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 11, 2014, 09:00:55 am
I think is Brazil's Cup to lose, IMO, home field will help them. However, I'd rather see Argentina win it. European teams don't tend to do well in South America, do they?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49er1 on June 11, 2014, 12:07:33 pm
Without going through this thread to see if the answer is there, can someone tell me the real reason that Donovan is not on the USA team?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49erFan1 on June 11, 2014, 12:12:39 pm
Without going through this thread to see if the answer is there, can someone tell me the real reason that Donovan is not on the USA team?


I think the last friendly revealed a bit.  I think Klinsman didn't put Donovan there because he knew that he was going to move Jones to the wing at the position Donovan would likely play.  However having Donovan on the bench would draw too much attention and risk splintering the team if things didn't go well.  I think he likes Julian Green coming in as a sub if we need a goal because of his pace and dribbling.


I do believe him however when he says that Donovan is number 24 if any of the guys get hurt.  I can almost agree with the decision.  But time will tell if it's the right one.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 11, 2014, 01:33:32 pm
Without going through this thread to see if the answer is there, can someone tell me the real reason that Donovan is not on the USA team?
Donovan was not viewed by Klinsmann to be one of the 23 best players to take to the World Cup.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on June 11, 2014, 03:27:14 pm
So the WC starts in 3 days. Any predictions at this point?

There's been interesting injury developments in our group. Reus missing hurts Germany a little bit, but they have so much awesome talent, they can probably just plug someone else in there. Bender is also injured, but less of an issue probably.  The bigger issue is probably whether Ronaldo is going to be fit for Portugal. He would probably tear apart our back line fully healthy. Hobbled, he'll probably still do damage, not sure as much though.

I still think the US fails to get out of this murderous group. We might get 3 points versus Ghana, but I doubt we take points from Germany and Portugal, and I think both those teams will put more goals in against their opponents, so even if we do take a point, goal difference probably sinks us.

Overall both Argentina and Brazil seem like teams to beat, Brazil primarily due to home field advantage, which I think will be huge given the number of divers they have. I'd say Spain is the favorite, but I'm not sure how their aging stars handle the Brazilian heat and humidity, and I still think their group might be the toughest in the competition (because I think Australia is better than their rankings indicate and think Chile is very good).  I think Belgium and Ivory Coast probably go on longer runs than expected.

I don't know if any concacaf teams make it out of their groups, all 4 got put into tough groups, especially the two strongest teams USA and Costa Rica which really got screwed. Mexico's group is easier, but they still seem weak to me. I'd say Honduras has the best shot, but it depends on whether Switzerland is really one of the better teams in Europe or not.


Honduras is awful.  They will dive, time waste and defend with 10 men behind the ball the entire time.  I wouldn't be surprised if they lose all three matches without scoring a goal.  I anticipate they'll be one of the worst team at this World Cup.


Of the CONCACAF teams I think Mexico has the best chance to advance.  It would be typical too, struggle through qualifying then make the biggest splash in the tournament proper.  I hope it doesn't happen but they always seem to play Brazil tough and Croatia and Cameroon, while decent, are not world beaters. 


I think if we come out against Ghana and get all 3 points we have a real chance of advancing.  We have to hope for Germany to beat Portugal in their match.  Germany would be favored against Ghana and 6 points in two matches would put them through which would leave us with an already qualified Germany in our last match.  You never know...


I think the favorites are Brazil, Argentina, Spain and Germany in that order.  No European team had ever won a World Cup outside of Europe until Spain did it in 2010 (South Africa).  I agree with J Felt though, it's Brazil's cup to lose but I don't think they are the most talented team there.  Argentina's midfield and attack is second to none: Messi, di Maria, Aguero, Lavezzi, Higuain and then throw in Maxi Rodriguez for good measure oh and that's right they have Mascherano in behind.  Stupid good. 


I cannot wait! One day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Happy World Cup Eve!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on June 11, 2014, 03:36:29 pm
By the way, the last warm-up results of our group foes:

Germany-Armenia 6-1
Ghana-South Korea 4-0
Portugal-Ireland 5-1
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on June 11, 2014, 04:52:55 pm
By the way, the last warm-up results of our group foes:

Germany-Armenia 6-1
Ghana-South Korea 4-0
Portugal-Ireland 5-1


The Ghana score is especially impressive considering South Korea is a World Cup team.  We had our best send off series ever but none of our games were as impressive as these scores.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 12, 2014, 07:53:36 pm
(Deleting double post)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 12, 2014, 07:53:54 pm
Brazil got the home cooking I expected. I didn't see the whole game, but I did see that third goal off a breakaway in which the Brazil player committed a blatant foul to get the ball. I also saw the replay of the "foul" on Fred that led to the penalty. That might be the worst penalty I've seen given at a World Cup, but maybe I'm forgetting some other awful ones.

It's too bad, because it'd be fun to see how Brazil would've responded to a fair result. I'd say they didn't look good enough to make it very far this year (if they keep playing like this), but I'm wondering how far the refs will carry them.

Also, I'd love to see FIFA actually bring back the post-game suspensions for diving. It'd help to put a damper on Brazil's (and other teams') theatrics. But then Neymar probably wouldn't get to play many games, so there's no way they'll do it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 13, 2014, 08:16:00 pm
I am glad someone else also saw the takedown that sprung the 3rd goal. And yes Brazil was gifted that game.

How about the Dutch today? Everyone is commenting on Spain's uninspired play, but the orange arent getting enough credit. They looked like a team that can make a serious run at the championship.

Bummer for the socceroos today too. Chile looked like crap. I wish they were in the USA's group. We would feast on counterattack goals.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on June 13, 2014, 10:06:36 pm
The Netherlands was incredible today.  What a complete decapitation of the greatest national team in the last six years (and probably ever).  I am very curious to see how Spain will bounce back in a tough match against Chile.

Speaking of Chile; they took their foot off the gas when they went up 2-0 and it cost them.  Had they continued at the same rate they started the match at they would have finished off the Socceroos in the first half.  It goes to show you that there are no easy wins anymore in world football.

By the way, the streak of fun and entertaining games will come to a screeching halt when we have to sit through Colombia vs. Greece tomorrow.  I hope you enjoy 10 men behind the ball defending for 90 minutes because Greece is REALLY good at that (I'm not bitter at all that they knocked Romania out in the UEFA qualification play-off round...not at all...).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 14, 2014, 11:02:21 am
The Dutch did play well. They've always had the talent to be a top tier team, just have never seemed to play together and avoid injuries too. I noticed they started the game off playing really physical, but they seemed to dial it back a bit after a few cards.

Casillas had an awful game. He seems to be making some bad decisions now, something he almost never did in the past. I wonder if it's time to go to De Gea in goal.

Australia looked ok to me, too bad they ended up in an impossible group. I think Chile is good, they will give up some goals but will probably score a bunch too.

How about the goal scoring so far? 15 goals in four games. In past cups, there were usually a bunch of 0-0 draws already at this point. I'm looking forward to the Uruguay-Costa Rica and England-Italy games. If Costa Rica had gotten an easier group, I think they might've been able to sneak out of the first round. But this group is probably too tough. I'm also interested to see if the Ivory Coast is going to take care of business this time around and advance. They've got enough talent to do it. Japan is often fun to watch too. Very excited the WC is finally underway.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on June 14, 2014, 05:55:31 pm
How about Costa Rica! That was incredible and fully deserved! Uruguay were pathetic.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on June 17, 2014, 09:53:17 am
I guess any discussion of the US game was eaten by the internet?




Fantastic result even if it was less than inspiring throughout.  Absolutely hate it for Jozy as it seemed in those first 15 minutes we were soon to break through again but the complexion totally changed once he went down. I think Dempsey will be fine given a few days off to allow him to breath again.
 
I'm kinda shocked at how poor Bradley played.  I dont think we will see that again.  Beasley looked really overmatched which isnt surprising but still.  I thought the center backs played well.  Jones was great and although Beckerman always looks to move the ball into negative space, I have to admit he did a great job defending.


I didnt like the Johannsson sub.  I havent seen him play enough on the club side to really know his game but i just thought his age would get the better of him and i think it did.  The moment seemed to big for him.  I think Wondo would be better moving forward.


Nice to see Brooks do well after some really terrible games in a US jersey. 


I really think Fabian Johnson may be the second best player on this team.  I know he was tracking the run on Ghanas goal but i dont fault him as much as just a great piece of soccer from Ghana.  This team looks amazingly different when he can run out and attack.  He's really talented. 



Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 17, 2014, 10:05:39 am
I guess any discussion of the US game was eaten by the internet?




Fantastic result even if it was less than inspiring throughout.  Absolutely hate it for Jozy as it seemed in those first 15 minutes we were soon to break through again but the complexion totally changed once he went down. I think Dempsey will be fine given a few days off to allow him to breath again.
 
I'm kinda shocked at how poor Bradley played.  I dont think we will see that again.  Beasley looked really overmatched which isnt surprising but still.  I thought the center backs played well.  Jones was great and although Beckerman always looks to move the ball into negative space, I have to admit he did a great job defending.


I didnt like the Johannsson sub.  I havent seen him play enough on the club side to really know his game but i just thought his age would get the better of him and i think it did.  The moment seemed to big for him.  I think Wondo would be better moving forward.


Nice to see Brooks do well after some really terrible games in a US jersey. 


I really think Fabian Johnson may be the second best player on this team.  I know he was tracking the run on Ghanas goal but i dont fault him as much as just a great piece of soccer from Ghana.  This team looks amazingly different when he can run out and attack.  He's really talented.
I hope Jozy can recover, we'll see the results of the MRI later today.


Johannsson did look nervous, but he also was paired with a less-then-100% Dempsey. I think he'll be fine, but wouldn't mind seeing Wondo get a chance.


Worst game I've seen from Bradley in years. Maybe he was nervous too?


Agreed on Fabian, he's talented and fast enough to be a winger, but he's too important to the defense right now.


Ghana was more athletic and we appeared to be hobbling all over the field. Maybe too much yoga. Either way, a gutsy performance and three points is three points.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Jimmyhat49er on June 17, 2014, 10:18:38 am
I guess any discussion of the US game was eaten by the internet?




Fantastic result even if it was less than inspiring throughout.  Absolutely hate it for Jozy as it seemed in those first 15 minutes we were soon to break through again but the complexion totally changed once he went down. I think Dempsey will be fine given a few days off to allow him to breath again.
 
I'm kinda shocked at how poor Bradley played.  I dont think we will see that again.  Beasley looked really overmatched which isnt surprising but still.  I thought the center backs played well.  Jones was great and although Beckerman always looks to move the ball into negative space, I have to admit he did a great job defending.


I didnt like the Johannsson sub.  I havent seen him play enough on the club side to really know his game but i just thought his age would get the better of him and i think it did.  The moment seemed to big for him.  I think Wondo would be better moving forward.


Nice to see Brooks do well after some really terrible games in a US jersey. 


I really think Fabian Johnson may be the second best player on this team.  I know he was tracking the run on Ghanas goal but i dont fault him as much as just a great piece of soccer from Ghana.  This team looks amazingly different when he can run out and attack.  He's really talented.
I hope Jozy can recover, we'll see the results of the MRI later today.


Johannsson did look nervous, but he also was paired with a less-then-100% Dempsey. I think he'll be fine, but wouldn't mind seeing Wondo get a chance.


Worst game I've seen from Bradley in years. Maybe he was nervous too?


Agreed on Fabian, he's talented and fast enough to be a winger, but he's too important to the defense right now.


Ghana was more athletic and we appeared to be hobbling all over the field. Maybe too much yoga. Either way, a gutsy performance and three points is three points.

Wasn't the talk going into this that we needed 3 pts to advance out of this group?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 17, 2014, 10:21:04 am

 
Wasn't the talk going into this that we needed 3 pts to advance out of this group?
5 points is really all we'll need. The big talk was that we needed three points from Ghana if we wanted to get out of the group. Getting 3 from Portugal or Germany will be tough.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 17, 2014, 11:35:50 am
I'm kinda shocked at how poor Bradley played. 

Seriously, what was up with Bradley?  We're going to need him to be on his game going forward.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on June 17, 2014, 12:17:21 pm
I'm kinda shocked at how poor Bradley played. 

Seriously, what was up with Bradley?  We're going to need him to be on his game going forward.
He may have been told to play in the style he played. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 17, 2014, 04:41:18 pm
 
No, those awful passes and the poor decision making were not coached. He was more than just passive, he was bad.
 
I was raving over Jones during the game, and I still believe he deserves consideration for man of the match. Of course the goals were important, but Jones was fantastic in holding that defense when Ghana looked ready to eat our lunch.
 
I can't remember a game like this for the USA - a game in which we were so overmatched but pulled out a win in regulation anyway.
 
I agree with what NLP said during the game. There is no way Ghana is #37 in the world. Their only real weakness is their Keeper (who is highly suspect if not outright bad). He's the reason they look bad on set pieces too.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on June 17, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
Mexico looked good against Brazil  They are peaking at the right time.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on June 17, 2014, 06:34:08 pm
clt says jones was his man of the match. Excellent on the pitch.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Tintin on June 17, 2014, 06:40:01 pm
Belgium.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 17, 2014, 10:54:25 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4u4LOPX.gif)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 18, 2014, 05:08:52 am
(http://i.imgur.com/AZ4K9qL.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 18, 2014, 07:49:24 am
I agree with what NLP said during the game. There is no way Ghana is #37 in the world. Their only real weakness is their Keeper (who is highly suspect if not outright bad). He's the reason they look bad on set pieces too.

FIFA rankings are a joke.  Remember when we were #6 in the world right after a draw with Jamaica?

ESPN's SPI is decent.  Prior to the match we were #22 and Ghana was #25. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: LoyalNiner on June 18, 2014, 08:46:28 am
Mexico looked good against Brazil  They are peaking at the right time.


I wasn't able to watch this game but just watched the highlights. The Mexican keeper looked amazing in the highlights.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 18, 2014, 08:52:16 am
Has there been any official word on Jozy yet?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 18, 2014, 04:54:11 pm
RIP Spain's dominance.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NewNiner on June 19, 2014, 11:10:41 am
Has there been any official word on Jozy yet?


http://www.espnfc.com/fifa-world-cup/story/1893459/us-forward-jozy-altidore-out-vs-portugal-with-ailing-hamstring
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 23, 2014, 10:10:16 pm
http://online.wsj.com/articles/2014-fifa-world-cup-draws-huge-u-s-tv-viewership-1403557936
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49RFootballNow on June 23, 2014, 10:52:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AZ4K9qL.jpg)

Is that Davos Seaworth?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 24, 2014, 09:09:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/AZ4K9qL.jpg)

Is that Davos Seaworth?

In Brazil kit, no less. Not just a traitor to Stannis!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on June 24, 2014, 11:41:03 am
CONCACAF doing well.  The US needs a positive result on Thursday so that we have three of four teams through.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 24, 2014, 07:26:35 pm
I'm starting the chant now...

IIIIIIIII
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on June 24, 2014, 08:16:31 pm
I'm starting the chant now...

IIIIIIIII


clt says I believe.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49RFootballNow on June 24, 2014, 08:50:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AZ4K9qL.jpg)

Is that Davos Seaworth?

In Brazil kit, no less. Not just a traitor to Stannis!

Well its possible that the Stormlands are the Brazil of Westeros?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Tintin on June 25, 2014, 08:24:40 am
Belgium.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 25, 2014, 02:34:18 pm
I'm starting the chant now...

IIIIIIIII


clt says I believe.

I believe that
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on June 25, 2014, 06:36:21 pm
I believe that we
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on June 25, 2014, 07:56:13 pm
Better to play for the tie.  I heard if we get 2nd, we play in hot weather vs. Belgium.  We're used to hot vs. Caribbean teams, & Belgium isn't.
 
If we play to win, we might screw it up & lose, & not advance.  If we do win to win 1st, the 1st place team plays in South Brazil, where it's winter & cold.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: capitalbill on June 25, 2014, 09:23:01 pm
I believe that we will...
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on June 26, 2014, 08:25:19 am
I believe that we will advance!  I believe that we will advance!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 26, 2014, 11:43:18 am
I am okay with a tie!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 26, 2014, 11:57:02 am
I believe that we will...
I believe that we will win!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on June 26, 2014, 03:22:53 pm
I believe that we will advance
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 26, 2014, 08:22:20 pm
I believe that we will advance

We did and we have a winnable game next round.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on June 27, 2014, 08:25:09 am
I
I believe
I believe that
I believe that Belgium will wither in the humidity!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Tintin on June 27, 2014, 08:57:16 am
I
I believe
I believe that
I believe that Belgium will wither in the humidity!

Belgium has been invaded every 50 years since history began.  They can handle little warm moisture in the air.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 27, 2014, 09:03:41 am
If you had told me that we would advance out of the group of death with Michael Bradley playing poorly and Jermaine Jones scored a long range goal, I'd have called you crazy.


Very impressed with the effort to this point. We can beat Belgium.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on June 27, 2014, 10:22:30 am
Don't forget Altidore going down in the first 23 minutes and having really rough climate conditions the first match on top of the expected conditions of the 2nd match (the worst travel/climate combo of any team), that could've derailed things as well.

Very surprised, but I'm happy I was wrong about what would happen with the USA. Portugal's first game against Germany really did them in (with injuries, suspensions, and goal difference). But the US team has looked pretty good too. I think the play of Fabian Johnson and Jermaine Jones has been key obviously, along with (gulp) Beckerman looking solid out there against better teams. Bradley falling apart has been surprising, I thought he was better now.

The one Concacaf team I thought had the easiest group and might advance (Honduras) looked overmatched the whole time, nice call SteauA. The other three teams all made it out of relatively tough groups, especially Costa Rica (in style) and USA. I wonder how many will win their first round game? Costa Rica should beat Greece, but that's not stopped better teams losing to them in the past. Mexico has a really tough next game, I think they get beaten handily. The USA's next is tough but winnable. I think Belgium wins, but it seems closer to 50:50 than I would've said prior to the tournament, given how the US has played. I want to see them win, but I'll be satisfied with the USA performance in this cup even if not, they've done a lot better than I thought. Get past Belgium, and they'd get to play Argentina.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on June 27, 2014, 01:44:46 pm
So if we make it to the Elite 8, we can tell Argentina not to cry for us.   :))
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 27, 2014, 07:58:31 pm
So if we make it to the Elite 8, we can tell Argentina not to cry for us.   :))

Argentina is the best team in the tournament.  But one step at a time.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 28, 2014, 01:12:41 am
So if we make it to the Elite 8, we can tell Argentina not to cry for us.   :))

Argentina is the best team in the tournament.  But one step at a time.

There are other players on that team?


Germany looks downright clinical. Possibly some weakness on wings, but not much.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on June 28, 2014, 06:06:24 am
So if we make it to the Elite 8, we can tell Argentina not to cry for us.   :))

Argentina is the best team in the tournament.  But one step at a time.

There are other players on that team?


Germany looks downright clinical. Possibly some weakness on wings, but not much.

Yeah, Germany looked like a machine.  Brazil is really fun to watch as well.  Just goes to show that even that the US has come a long way, there is still a very long way to go to reach that level of play.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 28, 2014, 10:47:41 am
So if we make it to the Elite 8, we can tell Argentina not to cry for us.   :))

Argentina is the best team in the tournament.  But one step at a time.

There are other players on that team?


Germany looks downright clinical. Possibly some weakness on wings, but not much.

Do they need other players? 

Germany is among the favorites but it's going to be hard to beat Brazil in Brazil.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 28, 2014, 02:26:22 pm
Brazil struggling vs Chile in OT.

USMNT watching:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrOz3w8CYAEQh3b.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 28, 2014, 02:29:39 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrOcbFjCQAAr4FO.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on June 29, 2014, 02:38:03 am
What podcast was that??
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 29, 2014, 01:50:10 pm
OMG I cannot stand the guy who does play by play for all the Mexico games on ESPN. He is the John Madden of soccer. Dude says CHEECH A REETO as often as Madden says Brett Favre. If Cheechareeto cheechareetos with cheechareeto then cheechareeto will cheechareeto chili cheesecheeto.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on June 30, 2014, 05:46:10 pm
Advocate, what was that podcast?  I'm always in the lookout for a good soccer podcast to add to the list.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on June 30, 2014, 08:39:19 pm
I've been listening to Men in Blazers.  It's a Grantland podcast
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Savio on July 01, 2014, 02:15:07 am
OMG I cannot stand the guy who does play by play for all the Mexico games on ESPN. He is the John Madden of soccer. Dude says CHEECH A REETO as often as Madden says Brett Favre. If Cheechareeto cheechareetos with cheechareeto then cheechareeto will cheechareeto chili cheesecheeto.


Chorizo!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on July 01, 2014, 07:58:25 am
So if we make it to the Elite 8, we can tell Argentina not to cry for us.   :))

Argentina is the best team in the tournament.  But one step at a time.

There are other players on that team?


Germany looks downright clinical. Possibly some weakness on wings, but not much.

Do they need other players? 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Tintin on July 01, 2014, 09:08:30 am
Belgium
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 01, 2014, 01:51:56 pm

Beat Belgium Vid:

feature=youtu.be

I BELIEVE!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on July 01, 2014, 02:45:58 pm
Messi strikes again
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 01, 2014, 10:43:58 pm
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 01, 2014, 10:49:24 pm
To offset that awfulness, here is the crowd at the watch party at Soldier Field (Chicago):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrfGpDXCcAAdI8P.jpg)

Soccer is bigger than ever in the U.S.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: jfickett on July 01, 2014, 11:08:00 pm
that wondo gif....f***ing kill me.




NA...y u do dis?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 01, 2014, 11:36:03 pm
Its a form of self loathing.

 That and I cant afford a shrink.  8)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: s9er on July 02, 2014, 08:58:42 am
that wondo gif....f***ing kill me.




NA...y u do dis?

That miss should haunt his dreams.. That was the game winner on a silver platter.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on July 02, 2014, 09:03:02 am
So i've had a full night to swallow this one.  I don't ever think i've felt a loss like I did with this one.


A few takeaways...


Yedlin has been a bit of a revelation.  I would have loved to see him at right back and switch Fabian to left.  I thought Beasley wasnt the total disaster i thought but Johnson is obviously the better option and he can play left or right. 


I really wonder what this team would have looked like with Jozy, especially last night.  Dempsey was a bit outmatched physically against Kompany and having Jozy there would have really changed the dynamic of our attack. 


Bradley is gonna want to forget this entire cup for the most part.  His lob to Green was fantastic but overall he was just not even close to being himself.


Oh Wondo!  I feel bad for him because he is just a fantastic guy who is easy to root for but man.  I heard him doing an interview after the game and he was gutted.  You have to at least put that thing on frame. 


Zusi played so poorly i was hoping to see Jurgen maybe switch to that diamond and bring in a guy like Mix to provide some creativity.  I hate it for him that he didnt get to see the field.


Overall it was just a fantastic tournament.  Things feel different to me.  Like we've crossed a bridge as a soccer nation.  Hopefully we build on it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: s9er on July 02, 2014, 09:17:01 am
Lots of changes for Russia. I hope we have grown the system where we have some strong replacements. At first blush I'd say Howard, Beasley, Dempsey, Bedoya, Jones, Davis, Beckerman, Wondolowski, Zusi, Cameron and Rimando are all done.. And there are a few guys who will be over 30 that will be on the fence- Guzan,  Bradley (he isn't going to get better playing in MLS); Besler.. I hope the pipeline is strong.


Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on July 02, 2014, 09:32:50 am
I hope the pipeline is strong.


It is, but its so hard to predict guys 4 years out.  4 years ago no one was talking about a guy like Fabian Johnson and I am not sure he's not our best talent right now.  Hell,  6 months ago no one was talking about Yedlin.


We will continue to get a lot of dual nationals. Gedion Zelalem is a 17 yr old german american who is set to enter our pipeline who is playing for Arsenal right now.  8 years ago stuff like this was unheard of.   
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 02, 2014, 09:45:17 am
Cass, in his typical efficiency, said so many things I wanted to say.
 
The painful part to me isn't losing; Belgium were the better overall side. However, I hate it anytime you have one of these once in every XX year events and you are missing such a key piece of your puzzle. Altidore matches up better and totally changes our alignment and playstyle. His absence was more than just missing an injured player - mainly because we don't have any established depth at his position.
 
So, while I hate losing, if we had been able to put our full team on the field and had lost anyway, it would have been easier for me to accept. That Belgium team doesn't have a Messi, Neymar, or even a James Rodriguez type star, but they are they solid almost all the way around. Very obviously a team full of established world class pros. No shame in losing to them. But man, I just wanted to give them our best punch.
 
Yedlin was wonderful on the attack - but did not recover his position. If he can maintain that speed and motor, he'll eventually learn to. Like Howard having to make 15 saves, it sucks that we had to generate almost all of our offense from our backs (Johnson, Beas, Yedlin) making runs up the side. Our midfield is a glaring weakness - that's why I said Bradley was the most important player on our team. Zusi was useless on the attack. He is a set piece player only. And I agree, I may have tried Mix just to try to control the field. Cass - we did play that diamond eventually and we controlled the ball better once we did. Very supportive of JK, but not sure he made the right call there. Goes back to Altidore being out again as well.
 
And I feel bad for Wondo, but I keep thinking (insert player X) would have tapped the ball to Dempsey for an easy score. I think it was 49erken who commented that Wondo has a history of these type of point blank choke jobs. Would Landon have made the same mistake?
 
We still have the Gold Cup in 2 years (?), maybe the Confederations Cup, and qualifying. Too early to say who is done. How many GKers have played just shy of 40? Howard is a gem - if anyone could do it, he could. Roger Milla scored 4 goals in the 90 WC at age 38, and started for Cameron again in '94 at age 42, scoring against Russia. I think a couple of the other old guys might be kept around too. Though I do agree that we will have a pretty significant lineup turnover which makes this more bittersweet for this core group of players.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 02, 2014, 09:56:49 am
Can't say that this World Cup was much of an improvement over South Africa in 2010.  I know many look at getting out of the Group of Death as a huge accomplishment but we had a lot of luck going for us.  Ghana outplayed us in the first match but couldn't find the net.  Portugal is not the team their FIFA ranking suggests and their huge loss to Germany is a big reason why we advanced on goal differential.  The score of the Germany game could have been much wider as well.


I'm still pleased with JK.  The team performed very well in CONCACAF qualifying and I believe we had the best send off series in team history prior to the Cup. 


Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: s9er on July 02, 2014, 10:33:27 am
Really good read:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/world-cup-pass-move-the-boys-of-summer/ (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/world-cup-pass-move-the-boys-of-summer/)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 02, 2014, 10:37:12 am
mike the POR-GER score was because POR played a man down. So yes, it was a bit of luck. But at full strength, they were still a very good team. We should have beaten them.
 
If you are a fan (or not) - read S's link. Damn good read. The bits about Howard and Beasley almost made me tear up.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on July 02, 2014, 10:55:21 am
Another thought I had this morning about the USMNT, and its actually probably one that i've had before but it really hit me for whatever reason this morning.   Even when Origi and De Bruyne were slicing through our defense.  And even when Belgium were just pounding shot after shot against Jesus Howard.  And even when we eventually went down 2-0.  I never felt like it was over.  Its so damn strange and its something almost entirely unique to the USMNT.  It just never feels like we are done


I dont know what you call that.  I guess people have called them gritty.  I dunno.  Even Ian Darke alluded to it.  After Green scored and Yedlin continued to terrorize that right side, Ian said something to the effect of "The US cant possibly pull this out can they?"  Its a crazy feeling.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on July 02, 2014, 11:32:00 am
I hope the pipeline is strong.


It is, but its so hard to predict guys 4 years out.  4 years ago no one was talking about a guy like Fabian Johnson and I am not sure he's not our best talent right now.  Hell,  6 months ago no one was talking about Yedlin.


We will continue to get a lot of dual nationals. Gedion Zelalem is a 17 yr old german american who is set to enter our pipeline who is playing for Arsenal right now.  8 years ago stuff like this was unheard of.


Plays for Arsenal? Or is in their development?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 02, 2014, 11:41:12 am
He has been playing for their U21 team, but was on the roster this year and made an appearance this season for Arsenal (the senior squad). I think he just re-signed with them. They are very high on him.
 
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/ZelalemLiverpool_%28cropped%29.jpg/321px-ZelalemLiverpool_%28cropped%29.jpg)
 
Problem with him is like Green and some of our other guys, he has been playing internationally for Germany's U21 team. Have to entice him to play for us.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on July 02, 2014, 11:43:14 am
Found Shawn Parker looking up Gedion.  21 y/o German-American who plays in the bundesliga now.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on July 02, 2014, 04:40:05 pm
Something very exciting to look forward to:

http://www.espnfc.com/copa-america/story/1803812/united-states-to-host-combined-2016-copa-america-centenario

Given the performance of teams from the Americas in this year's WC, this might trumps the Euros. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ZombieLew on July 03, 2014, 09:42:36 am
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)

I have seen that over and over and over in my head every time I closed my eyes since then.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on July 03, 2014, 09:50:27 am
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)

I have seen that over and over and over in my head every time I closed my eyes since then.
Yeah, Klinsmann basically called him out on that miss as well in a press conference.  Basically saying that type of play should be criticized and hopefully learned from going foward. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: LoyalNiner on July 03, 2014, 10:01:01 am
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)


Quick question about this play. I was watching the BBC stream and the commentators kept talking about how the US team was called offsides on the play. They repeated it over and over again and kept saying that they could not understand how the linesman could call him offsides when he clearly wasn't. But my brother said that the ESPN commentators never mentioned the offsides call. Does anyone here know whether he was called offsides and whether the goal actually would have counted if he made it?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ZombieLew on July 03, 2014, 10:57:47 am
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)


Quick question about this play. I was watching the BBC stream and the commentators kept talking about how the US team was called offsides on the play. They repeated it over and over again and kept saying that they could not understand how the linesman could call him offsides when he clearly wasn't. But my brother said that the ESPN commentators never mentioned the offsides call. Does anyone here know whether he was called offsides and whether the goal actually would have counted if he made it?

Well, did play resume with a goal kick or a kick from the spot of the pass?

I don't really remember, since I all but blacked out and came to on the floor of McGrady's Irish Pub in Charlottesville... but that would give you your answer.

I think they were probably talking about the Belgian player throwing his hands up as if he expected it to be called offside. Honestly, that play <i>should</i> have been offsides. It wasn't, not because the ref's assistant missed it, but because the Belgian RB was in a horribly boneheaded position.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: LoyalNiner on July 03, 2014, 11:07:14 am
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)


Quick question about this play. I was watching the BBC stream and the commentators kept talking about how the US team was called offsides on the play. They repeated it over and over again and kept saying that they could not understand how the linesman could call him offsides when he clearly wasn't. But my brother said that the ESPN commentators never mentioned the offsides call. Does anyone here know whether he was called offsides and whether the goal actually would have counted if he made it?

Well, did play resume with a goal kick or a kick from the spot of the pass?

I don't really remember, since I all but blacked out and came to on the floor of McGrady's Irish Pub in Charlottesville... but that would give you your answer.

I think they were probably talking about the Belgian player throwing his hands up as if he expected it to be called offside. Honestly, that play <i>should</i> have been offsides. It wasn't, not because the ref's assistant missed it, but because the Belgian RB was in a horribly boneheaded position.


I couldn't tell you if it was a free kick or goal kick since I was going insane at the time. But they were definitely talking about the linesman and not about the Belgian player.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on July 03, 2014, 11:22:32 am
Wondo blows a golden opportunity to steal the game.

Warning, this is painful to watch, especially when you realize he could have tapped to Dempsey who had an empty net...

(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/wondo-misses-point-blank.gif)


Quick question about this play. I was watching the BBC stream and the commentators kept talking about how the US team was called offsides on the play. They repeated it over and over again and kept saying that they could not understand how the linesman could call him offsides when he clearly wasn't. But my brother said that the ESPN commentators never mentioned the offsides call. Does anyone here know whether he was called offsides and whether the goal actually would have counted if he made it?

Well, did play resume with a goal kick or a kick from the spot of the pass?

I don't really remember, since I all but blacked out and came to on the floor of McGrady's Irish Pub in Charlottesville... but that would give you your answer.

I think they were probably talking about the Belgian player throwing his hands up as if he expected it to be called offside. Honestly, that play <i>should</i> have been offsides. It wasn't, not because the ref's assistant missed it, but because the Belgian RB was in a horribly boneheaded position.


I couldn't tell you if it was a free kick or goal kick since I was going insane at the time. But they were definitely talking about the linesman and not about the Belgian player.


There was confusion on the ESPN telecast too.  Ian Darke seemed to think that the linesman had his flag up quickly but then backtracked on that.  Belgium did only take a goal kick afterwards so it seems as if it was never called.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 03, 2014, 11:55:44 am
The replay, however (another angle) showed very clearly that neither US player was even close to being offsides.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: LoyalNiner on July 03, 2014, 12:32:06 pm
The replay, however (another angle) showed very clearly that neither US player was even close to being offsides.


The question was not whether they were offsides (anyone could have seen that they weren't), but whether the linesman called them offsides. Sounds like the linesman raised the flag but then thought better of it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 05, 2014, 10:29:55 am
(http://i.imgur.com/neKar7M.gif)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 07, 2014, 02:02:08 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/world-cup-america-why-a-senator-cites-fairness-to-strip-qatar-of-2022-contest/blogEntry?id=24453836&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FbqX1W5hvwo
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on July 07, 2014, 08:47:00 pm
The replay, however (another angle) showed very clearly that neither US player was even close to being offsides.


The question was not whether they were offsides (anyone could have seen that they weren't), but whether the linesman called them offsides. Sounds like the linesman raised the flag but then thought better of it.


The linesman raised his flag and pointed it to the Belgium penalty box to indicate a goal kick (as Wondo's shot sailed way wide).  It's possible that the combination of Wondo being SO wide open and Ian Dark glancing at the sideline official a second too late resulted in Darke's on air comment ("it's offside anyway").  It was clearly not offside and the goal would have counted had Wondo scored.


The sideline ref first raises his flag in the air then lowers it to chest level to indicate an offside call.  To indicate a goal kick he simply points towards the six yard box.  I'm guessing that's the part that Darke saw thus his comments. 


Still a shocking miss, I would have bet good money that Wondo was going to put that away.  Sigh, I still can't believe it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 07, 2014, 11:31:38 pm
These are just too much fun:

(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201462/rs_599x393-140702135052-12.jpg)

(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201462/rs_599x450-140702134921-9.jpg)

(http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/201462/rs_510x288-140702134439-1.jpg)

(http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_slideshow/v1404315604/xtim-howard-saves-miley.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zCqLlf_w8t.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 12:16:48 am
Interesting things starting to come out of Queen City SC and Queen City FC
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 14, 2014, 08:41:04 am
Can't wait to here about this. Hope whatever they have cooking works out.  You know what would be awesome, Beckham realizes that an MLS team in Miami is going to be a huge failure (see the attendance in Miami for the ICC final for an example of how pathetic their sports fans are) and partners with the QCSC folks to put his MLS franchise in Charlotte in a renovated memorial stadium where they know it will be a success ( see the ICC attendance in Charlotte).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on August 14, 2014, 08:42:38 am
Interesting things starting to come out of Queen City SC and Queen City FC


An MLS team in Charlotte seems like a no brainer to me.  I want so badly to have an MLS team to root for so I hope this has legs
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on August 14, 2014, 08:48:59 am
Interesting things starting to come out of Queen City SC and Queen City FC


An MLS team in Charlotte seems like a no brainer to me.  I want so badly to have an MLS team to root for so I hope this has legs
I'd get season tickets for sure. I'm considering it for the USL Pro side.


Making it a success would be easy... cheap beer and close to downtown.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on August 14, 2014, 08:52:57 am
Doesn't hurt that there is a large latin population in Charlotte either.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on August 14, 2014, 08:58:17 am
Doesn't hurt that there is a large latin population in Charlotte either.
Didn't help Miami's first team.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on August 14, 2014, 09:18:44 am
Doesn't hurt that there is a large latin population in Charlotte either.
Didn't help Miami's first team.


Miami just isn't a good sports city anyways, even when teams are good they get lackluster support.  See the Heat recently.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 10:40:29 am
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on August 14, 2014, 10:56:13 am
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
8,000? Woah. Might be hard to hit.


Hopefully they really engage the youth teams, that's a good way to drive attendance.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 11:09:29 am
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
8,000? Woah. Might be hard to hit.


Hopefully they really engage the youth teams, that's a good way to drive attendance.
They fill that if the Hounds can average 6,000 soccer a much more popular sport can get 8,000. Especially if people know showing up will help land a MLS team. Plus the light rail will also have a station at Memorial Stadium starting next year some time
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on August 14, 2014, 12:47:19 pm
Can't wait to here about this. Hope whatever they have cooking works out.  You know what would be awesome, Beckham realizes that an MLS team in Miami is going to be a huge failure (see the attendance in Miami for the ICC final for an example of how pathetic their sports fans are) and partners with the QCSC folks to put his MLS franchise in Charlotte in a renovated memorial stadium where they know it will be a success ( see the ICC attendance in Charlotte).


I don't think a renovated Memorial Stadium will cut it nor playing at BoA.  They will need to build a soccer specific stadium here to make MLS successful.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NewNiner on August 14, 2014, 01:49:35 pm
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
8,000? Woah. Might be hard to hit.


Hopefully they really engage the youth teams, that's a good way to drive attendance.
They fill that if the Hounds can average 6,000 soccer a much more popular sport can get 8,000. Especially if people know showing up will help land a MLS team. Plus the light rail will also have a station at Memorial Stadium starting next year some time


Orlando is getting MLS and they average 4742 in USL.  LA's USL team averages 673 but MLS averages 22,000ish.  I'm not sure that's completely fair to expect more than 6,000/game for USL.  Only one team averages that, now (Sacramento).  Only two others average more than 4000/game (Rochester and Orlando).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 01:57:01 pm
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
8,000? Woah. Might be hard to hit.


Hopefully they really engage the youth teams, that's a good way to drive attendance.
They fill that if the Hounds can average 6,000 soccer a much more popular sport can get 8,000. Especially if people know showing up will help land a MLS team. Plus the light rail will also have a station at Memorial Stadium starting next year some time


Orlando is getting MLS and they average 4742 in USL.  LA's USL team averages 673 but MLS averages 22,000ish.  I'm not sure that's completely fair to expect more than 6,000/game for USL.  Only one team averages that, now (Sacramento).  Only two others average more than 4000/game (Rochester and Orlando).
I believe it was the ownership group (Hounds owner) that stated that as their goal before making an MLS bid, however judging by their tweet last night I suppose that has changed and they are preparing their MLS bid earlier than expected
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NewNiner on August 14, 2014, 02:05:46 pm
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
8,000? Woah. Might be hard to hit.


Hopefully they really engage the youth teams, that's a good way to drive attendance.
They fill that if the Hounds can average 6,000 soccer a much more popular sport can get 8,000. Especially if people know showing up will help land a MLS team. Plus the light rail will also have a station at Memorial Stadium starting next year some time


Orlando is getting MLS and they average 4742 in USL.  LA's USL team averages 673 but MLS averages 22,000ish.  I'm not sure that's completely fair to expect more than 6,000/game for USL.  Only one team averages that, now (Sacramento).  Only two others average more than 4000/game (Rochester and Orlando).
I believe it was the ownership group (Hounds owner) that stated that as their goal before making an MLS bid, however judging by their tweet last night I suppose that has changed and they are preparing their MLS bid earlier than expected
Eagles, you mean?  Or are you saying that MLS wanted to see lacrosse attendance up?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 02:30:52 pm
QCSC is meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium plans. QCFC has already stated one of the final determining factors will be attendance for USL next year. MLS will be watching those games closely. The bench mark I heard was 8,000 per game avg. So for those that really want MLS show up next season for USL and help that average.
8,000? Woah. Might be hard to hit.


Hopefully they really engage the youth teams, that's a good way to drive attendance.
They fill that if the Hounds can average 6,000 soccer a much more popular sport can get 8,000. Especially if people know showing up will help land a MLS team. Plus the light rail will also have a station at Memorial Stadium starting next year some time


Orlando is getting MLS and they average 4742 in USL.  LA's USL team averages 673 but MLS averages 22,000ish.  I'm not sure that's completely fair to expect more than 6,000/game for USL.  Only one team averages that, now (Sacramento).  Only two others average more than 4000/game (Rochester and Orlando).
I believe it was the ownership group (Hounds owner) that stated that as their goal before making an MLS bid, however judging by their tweet last night I suppose that has changed and they are preparing their MLS bid earlier than expected
Eagles, you mean?  Or are you saying that MLS wanted to see lacrosse attendance up?
The Eagles are dropping down to amateur status.  The owners of the Hounds bought the USL Pro rights to start a new team, currently being called Queen City SC.  They stated last winter when the announced they were buying the USL rights their goal was to make an MLS bid.  He stated that 8,000 avg per game in USL was his goal for next season before making a bid. However things have changed and the timetable to make an MLS bid has been ramped up considerably in the past 6 days.  The QCSC owners flew to Portland for MLS Allstar week to meet with USL and apparently they may have met with MLS.  About a day after the MLS Allstar game a new twitter page popped up called Queen City FC labeling itself as the official grass roots campaign for MLS Charlotte.  I tweeted at them asking if they were affiliated with QCSC and so did a few others but they never confirmed nor denied.  Then within the last couple of days QCSC tweeted they were meeting with the city today and tomorrow about Memorial Stadium.  Then last night QCSC tweeted the ball had officially started rolling on MLS coming to Charlotte to stay tuned for details..  Hopefully I explained that well enough lol.  As for Memorial being used for soccer they are using Portland as an example.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on August 14, 2014, 02:37:04 pm
That Liverpool/AC Milan game may have changed everything when it comes to MLS' plans for expansion. I'm glad so many people showed up. I don't know how much more proof you need that Charlotte (North Carolina, really) makes way more sense than Miami.


Hopefully it happens. I'm not sure how well the team will compete, might be hard to attract the best players.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 02:42:21 pm
That Liverpool/AC Milan game may have changed everything when it comes to MLS' plans for expansion. I'm glad so many people showed up. I don't know how much more proof you need that Charlotte (North Carolina, really) makes way more sense than Miami.


Hopefully it happens. I'm not sure how well the team will compete, might be hard to attract the best players.
Supposedly more official word on the subject will be coming out in mid September to late October.  So it won't be too long of a wait to see how things are going/where we stand as far as MLS is concerned.  For sure it'll soon that an announcement is made about the USL Pro team as they plan to have a name the team competition via the fans (similar to what the Hounds did).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Crusader on August 14, 2014, 04:28:20 pm

Supposedly more official word on the subject will be coming out in mid September to late October.  So it won't be too long of a wait to see how things are going/where we stand as far as MLS is concerned.  For sure it'll soon that an announcement is made about the USL Pro team as they plan to have a name the team competition via the fans (similar to what the Hounds did).

Bobcats ?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 04:40:54 pm

Supposedly more official word on the subject will be coming out in mid September to late October.  So it won't be too long of a wait to see how things are going/where we stand as far as MLS is concerned.  For sure it'll soon that an announcement is made about the USL Pro team as they plan to have a name the team competition via the fans (similar to what the Hounds did).

Bobcats ?
I hope not lol
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on August 14, 2014, 05:54:36 pm
clt recommends that we offer up the rich.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 14, 2014, 07:12:42 pm
clt recommends that we offer up the rich.

Would be a great place to play for many reasons but the football lines (which I assume are permanent on our field I could be wrong) would be a huge problem. Playing on football files with lines is the worst possible scenario for a soccer team. Soccer fans detest that.

As far as a renovated memorial goes I'm basically talking about a rip and replace. Even if that's way more expensive than a fresh build in the suburbs it has to be done. The stadium located in a central (to the Charlotte market) downtown setting is absolutely key.   The memorial location has everything MLS is looking for. Proximity to lots of bars and restaurants, walkable from downtown, easy access to parking decks, proximity to mass transit, a sky line view. It's all there.

I plan on supporting the USL team and I am convinced IF the attendance is good (needs to be close to the Orlando level) AND they find a deep pocket investor/partner that can fund the stadium, that MLS is a good bet.

One note on the cost. A couple of months ago I called parks and rec to see of they were widening the field (I saw the construction going on which is just a press box and other amenities upgrade). The lady that answered the phone didn't know so she transferred me to a facility supervisor who told me they would love to widen the field but they needed a huge investment to do it. So whoever comes in with this ownership group will need deep pockets. A top notch deep pocket investor might get the city to invest as well if they know the ownership group is serious and capable of supporting the team and building it up.

This would be a huge hit. I think USL Pro will be a hit, MLS would be a home run.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: MikeNiner11 on August 14, 2014, 07:16:21 pm
clt recommends that we offer up the rich.

Would be a great place to play for many reasons but the football lines (which I assume are permanent on our field I could be wrong) would be a huge problem. Playing on football files with lines is the worst possible scenario for a soccer team. Soccer fans detest that.

As far as a renovated memorial goes I'm basically talking about a rip and replace. Even if that's way more expensive than a fresh build in the suburbs it has to be done. The stadium located in a central (to the Charlotte market) downtown setting is absolutely key.   The memorial location has everything MLS is looking for. Proximity to lots of bars and restaurants, walkable from downtown, easy access to parking decks, proximity to mass transit, a sky line view. It's all there.

I plan on supporting the USL team and I am convinced IF the attendance is good (needs to be close to the Orlando level) AND they find a deep pocket investor/partner that can fund the stadium, that MLS is a good bet.

One note on the cost. A couple of months ago I called parks and rec to see of they were widening the field (I saw the construction going on which is just a press box and other amenities upgrade). The lady that answered the phone didn't know so she transferred me to a facility supervisor who told me they would love to widen the field but they needed a huge investment to do it. So whoever comes in with this ownership group will need deep pockets. A top notch deep pocket investor might get the city to invest as well if they know the ownership group is serious and capable of supporting the team and building it up.

This would be a huge hit. I think USL Pro will be a hit, MLS would be a home run.

Yeah our field would likely have to be replaced. As cool as it would be, it makes a lot more sense downtown.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 07:45:55 pm
clt recommends that we offer up the rich.

Would be a great place to play for many reasons but the football lines (which I assume are permanent on our field I could be wrong) would be a huge problem. Playing on football files with lines is the worst possible scenario for a soccer team. Soccer fans detest that.

As far as a renovated memorial goes I'm basically talking about a rip and replace. Even if that's way more expensive than a fresh build in the suburbs it has to be done. The stadium located in a central (to the Charlotte market) downtown setting is absolutely key.   The memorial location has everything MLS is looking for. Proximity to lots of bars and restaurants, walkable from downtown, easy access to parking decks, proximity to mass transit, a sky line view. It's all there.

I plan on supporting the USL team and I am convinced IF the attendance is good (needs to be close to the Orlando level) AND they find a deep pocket investor/partner that can fund the stadium, that MLS is a good bet.

One note on the cost. A couple of months ago I called parks and rec to see of they were widening the field (I saw the construction going on which is just a press box and other amenities upgrade). The lady that answered the phone didn't know so she transferred me to a facility supervisor who told me they would love to widen the field but they needed a huge investment to do it. So whoever comes in with this ownership group will need deep pockets. A top notch deep pocket investor might get the city to invest as well if they know the ownership group is serious and capable of supporting the team and building it up.

This would be a huge hit. I think USL Pro will be a hit, MLS would be a home run.
I would assume the owners would not have mentioned MLS if they didn't have a financial plan. Also the field widening is a done deal or well will be after tomorrow. The USL team playing next season is also a done deal. Obviously turning Memorial into a MLS stadium would probably cost 100 million or so
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 14, 2014, 07:56:10 pm
CharlotteGuy88, I'm sensing some inside info here. Give us more if you can! Really glad to hear that the field widening is a done deal. Was worried about that.  I was afraid they would have to play somewhere besides Memorial. If they are at memorial it's an easy drive and I'm probably there for most of the games.  Probably a season ticket buy for me if they play there. Can't wait for this.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 14, 2014, 08:23:11 pm
CharlotteGuy88, I'm sensing some inside info here. Give us more if you can! Really glad to hear that the field widening is a done deal. Was worried about that.  I was afraid they would have to play somewhere besides Memorial. If they are at memorial it's an easy drive and I'm probably there for most of the games.  Probably a season ticket buy for me if they play there. Can't wait for this.
I've posted all I know. I do not know a lot about the MLS situation because that has really changed in the past week. And changed in a positive direction. I do know 2 million is what is needed to widen the field and capacity would be cut to 15,500. That would just be for the USL team. I also know Portland and Houston were mentioned as examples of MLS stadiums and costs etc. I believe Houston's brand new stadium only cost 95 million making it the most cost effective stadium in MLS. Portland's 2 phases of renovation cost around 62 million. So Memorial shouldn't cost more than 100 million to convert.  More info should be available mid September as far as the USL team is concerned
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on August 14, 2014, 08:36:59 pm
That Liverpool/AC Milan game may have changed everything when it comes to MLS' plans for expansion. I'm glad so many people showed up. I don't know how much more proof you need that Charlotte (North Carolina, really) makes way more sense than Miami.


Hopefully it happens. I'm not sure how well the team will compete, might be hard to attract the best players.

The ICC game might have something to do with the ramp up.  Great attendance for that game.

MLS has a hard cap with the Beckham rule so every MLS team has a good shot at competing.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 14, 2014, 09:29:57 pm
Yes. MLS is one of the most competitive leagues in the world because of the salary cap. Frankly I don't understand how La Liga stays afloat with only two dominant teams. Yes AC Milan won the title last year but that was a miracle and rarely happens. If the NFL had the equivalent with say the cowboys and redskins no one would go to the games. Everyone would say it's rigged and do something else. Maybe it's because soccer had no competition over there in the market.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 15, 2014, 02:04:28 am
Yes. MLS is one of the most competitive leagues in the world because of the salary cap. Frankly I don't understand how La Liga stays afloat with only two dominant teams. Yes AC Milan won the title last year but that was a miracle and rarely happens. If the NFL had the equivalent with say the cowboys and redskins no one would go to the games. Everyone would say it's rigged and do something else. Maybe it's because soccer had no competition over there in the market.

Sorry. Athletic Madrid.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on August 15, 2014, 08:42:34 am
Yes. MLS is one of the most competitive leagues in the world because of the salary cap. Frankly I don't understand how La Liga stays afloat with only two dominant teams. Yes AC Milan won the title last year but that was a miracle and rarely happens. If the NFL had the equivalent with say the cowboys and redskins no one would go to the games. Everyone would say it's rigged and do something else. Maybe it's because soccer had no competition over there in the market.

It's because of the Champions League
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on August 15, 2014, 10:16:23 am
Yes. MLS is one of the most competitive leagues in the world because of the salary cap. Frankly I don't understand how La Liga stays afloat with only two dominant teams. Yes AC Milan won the title last year but that was a miracle and rarely happens. If the NFL had the equivalent with say the cowboys and redskins no one would go to the games. Everyone would say it's rigged and do something else. Maybe it's because soccer had no competition over there in the market.

It's because of the Champions League


Exactly.  In the top three leagues (based on UEFA coefficient at the moment), England, Spain, Germany, if you finish top 4 in the standings you get to participate in the cash cow known as the UEFA Champions League.  So winning the domestic league is definitely important but like you said, often times very few clubs truly have the chops to compete and win it year after year and dominant clubs form (Real, Barca, Bayern, Juventus etc.) but more clubs just try to compete for finishing in one of those top 4 spots because then they are guaranteed Champions League money.


Think of it as a baseball team fighting to grab one of those wild-card spots but instead of getting a one game playoff, they get an entire season of mid-week glamorous European football and a really nice paycheck.  So fans of lesser teams definitely stay engaged because of that.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 16, 2014, 04:00:28 am
Yes. MLS is one of the most competitive leagues in the world because of the salary cap. Frankly I don't understand how La Liga stays afloat with only two dominant teams. Yes AC Milan won the title last year but that was a miracle and rarely happens. If the NFL had the equivalent with say the cowboys and redskins no one would go to the games. Everyone would say it's rigged and do something else. Maybe it's because soccer had no competition over there in the market.

It's because of the Champions League


Exactly.  In the top three leagues (based on UEFA coefficient at the moment), England, Spain, Germany, if you finish top 4 in the standings you get to participate in the cash cow known as the UEFA Champions League.  So winning the domestic league is definitely important but like you said, often times very few clubs truly have the chops to compete and win it year after year and dominant clubs form (Real, Barca, Bayern, Juventus etc.) but more clubs just try to compete for finishing in one of those top 4 spots because then they are guaranteed Champions League money.


Think of it as a baseball team fighting to grab one of those wild-card spots but instead of getting a one game playoff, they get an entire season of mid-week glamorous European football and a really nice paycheck.  So fans of lesser teams definitely stay engaged because of that.

The CL spots are just as dominated by a few clubs as the league titles are. Since I've been watching the prem Arsenal and Chelsea have been in the top four every year and the other two CL spots have been taken only by Man City, Man U, Liverpool and Tottenham (only once). There are a total of around 92 professional clubs in England, so again it's a completely one sided situation that, if it were replicated in the US the fans wouldn't stand for. My guess is there is just so little competition for the sports entertainment dollar that this completely unbalanced competition continues to thrive. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching the Prem and other top leagues but if I was a fan living over there I would be pretty disappointed that no steps had been taken to fix the lack of competitiveness.

As far as the CL goes you can almost guarantee that 2 of about 6 clubs will be in the final. That's because they are allowed such uneven payrolls. I was watching a La Liga match last year and Real Madrid actually had 1 player that was paid more than the entire opposing team.

Thiat would get old quick  if I was a fan of one of the bottom feeder teams.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on August 16, 2014, 01:12:24 pm
So like this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/big-league-stew/twenty-players-more-individually-2013-entire-astros-team-150637516--mlb.html
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 16, 2014, 01:14:16 pm
So like this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/big-league-stew/twenty-players-more-individually-2013-entire-astros-team-150637516--mlb.html

Yep. Just like that. And MLB is the only league that allows that in the US. The NFL which is the most popular sports league in the world had a salary cap and general payroll parity.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on August 16, 2014, 10:58:41 pm
I would say part of it also has to do with the excitement of the promotion-relegation system, so the bottom teams get a lot of excitement (and anguish) and are also not the same teams every year. So a real perennial underachiever is not in the top league for long, and is usually replaced by a team with fans just excited to be there. It's the mid-table teams, that find some success and do rarely pull off a champions league (e.g. Everton) or Europa league spot, but miss out on the promotion-relegation, that you could argue would get more upset about the lack of competitiveness in my view.

Another part of it is how much a community's identity is wrapped up in their sports team. This happens in the US too, but it seems to be to a lesser degree. It helps that failing teams typically don't move or fold (but there are exceptions!) like they do in the US sometimes, so the local fans get burned less often.

Finally, European football just doesn't have the competition for fan attention like MLS does in the US. Fans can go root for the other hometown major sports team here and it's often one getting more media attention and water cooler talk, but in most of the European countries, the next biggest sports team nearby, if there is one, is a big step down (obviously there's other major sports depending on where you are, like F1 racing, cycling, rugby, basketball, but these are still a step down).  I'd liken it to baseball's similar issues of a lack of competitiveness few years back, but imagine if baseball didn't have to contend with a rising NFL and NBA. European football fans have nowhere to go essentially if they want to be involved in the major sport, so this helps the league overcome some of these kinds of issues even in places that don't have a dominant team.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 16, 2014, 11:59:21 pm
Excellent points. Especially about promotion relegation. I remember distinctly around 10 years ago when I started learning more about how foreign soccer worked. When I found out about promotion relegation I was instantly struck by the implications. No tanking it at the end of the season, even the bottom teams have something to play for, no empty stands for last place teams at the end of the year.

I think promotion relegation would be a massive hit here in the states but I doubt it will ever happen now that MLS had lost the single ownership model and did not have promotion relegation worked into their long term business model from day 1.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 17, 2014, 06:24:33 pm
The latest: "Working hard here at Queen City F.C. and have made huge progress in recent days. Excited to continue the pursuit of MLS Charlotte"
Also they are working on a nickname. Queen City F.C. Royals
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 17, 2014, 06:31:46 pm
I thought they were going to have a naming contest
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 17, 2014, 07:04:41 pm
I thought they were going to have a naming contest
Queen City F.C. is the grass roots campaign for MLS independent of the USL team Queen City SC which will supposedly have a name the team contest....however both sides appear to be working together behind the scenes to bring MLS here. Even though their social media pages etc remain separate.  If we were to land an MLS team what would happen is for the next couple of years you'd have a USL team called the Charlotte (insert nickname) and then re branded for MLS as Queen City F.C. Reason being is USL requires Charlotte be in the name and won't allow Queen City.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 17, 2014, 09:26:23 pm
Also found out the USL team is trying to finalize a deal to be affiliated with an MLS club for players (like minor league baseball, my guess is FC Dallas). Also just had a twitter convo with crown town soccer about 49er soccer being used as a meetup/social event spot for QCSC fans before the 2015 USL season. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on August 28, 2014, 09:27:08 am
Official announcement of the new USL team will be Wednesday Sept 17th at Courtyard Hooligans. 6:30pm.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on August 28, 2014, 10:07:49 am
Official announcement of the new USL team will be Wednesday Sept 17th at Courtyard Hooligans. 6:30pm.


This is good news.  Curious to see what kind of crowd will gather. 


As Orlando City has proven, you don't need to be in USL very long if you can show that you have a solid backing of devoted fans (4-5k).  If you have that, the team can pump out marketing campaigns and attract another 3-4k to get to that 7-8k range that MLS is looking for. 


I'm very excited for this.  I'm looking forward to seeing how Memorial will look once they finish the renovations.  It's a shame they'll play on turf to start.  I can't stand that crap.


BTW, they've been using a lot of Captain James Jack imagery on their facebook page.  I'm thinking it definitely has to do with the name of the team and possibly even the logo identity moving forward.  Maybe something like the Charlotte Jacks? Charlotte Captains?


Charlotte Captains Football Club actually doesn't sound awful.


edit: Found a rumor online that it will be Charlotte Independence (not sure if they'll attached "FC" or "SC" to it).  Not the best but not the worst.  It'll grow on me.  If their facebook page banner is any indication, it looks like a light/purplish blue, burgundish/red and gold color scheme.  Take out the gold and you basically have the color scheme of Aston Villa/West Ham/Burnley in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on August 28, 2014, 11:14:55 am
Official announcement of the new USL team will be Wednesday Sept 17th at Courtyard Hooligans. 6:30pm.





edit: Found a rumor online that it will be Charlotte Independence


That's not horrible, but a mouthful.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on August 28, 2014, 11:17:57 am
Official announcement of the new USL team will be Wednesday Sept 17th at Courtyard Hooligans. 6:30pm.





edit: Found a rumor online that it will be Charlotte Independence


That's not horrible, but a mouthful.


Yeah, definitely a little long.  I think the rumor has legs though.  It definitely explains their #PrepareToDeclare tag line.


There are other mouthfuls in MLS:
- New England Revolution
- Los Angeles Galaxy
- San Jose Earthquakes
- Sporting Kansas City
- Philadelphia Union


So Charlotte ever gets there, it wouldn't be alone.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 28, 2014, 08:38:48 pm
The team rep posted on reddit about a month ago that they were going to have a team naming contest. It said the USL office mandates that the word Charlotte must be part of the name.

Not to excited about Charlotte Independence. Yes it flows with the captain jack thing and the Mecklenburg resolutions (I think that's what it's called) but it just doesn't roll off the tongue.

How about Charlotte Athletic?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on August 28, 2014, 09:10:23 pm
Check this link out.

Looks like Charlotte independence is a done deal unless they are reserving multiple names so the fans can vote on a list.

http://crowntownsoccer.com


Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 08, 2014, 11:48:16 pm
Interesting read from NY Times about the plight of Chivas USA.

My take, sell the franchise to an ownership group outside of LA in a vibrant and growing market hungry for soccer. Preferably one in the largest city between DC and Atlanta. Yes that would be nice.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Noreaster on September 09, 2014, 12:45:57 am
Interesting read from NY Times about the plight of Chivas USA.

My take, sell the franchise to an ownership group outside of LA in a vibrant and growing market hungry for soccer. Preferably one in the largest city between DC and Atlanta. Yes that would be nice.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html)
Charlotte Eagles averaged under 800 fans per game in USL PRO. Sacramento averages over 13,000, which is why they are at/near the top of the list for an expansion team. With attendance like that, It is no wonder that Charlotte hasn't even been seriously in the discussion. With expansion targeted to be finalized (for now) by 2020 Charlotte May be too late to the game, no pun intended.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 09, 2014, 04:00:14 pm
It's far too early to write off Charlotte. The Eagles were never going to move the needle for many different reasons. This new ownership group is a different story. IF they can get the truly deep pocketed investors (hell they may have the money themselves I have no idea) AND attendance is good we will be in the running.  It's just going to depend on how the team grabs the regional fan and if attendance is solid. I don't think they have to average 13k but it needs to be very good.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 09, 2014, 04:05:51 pm
Interesting read from NY Times about the plight of Chivas USA.

My take, sell the franchise to an ownership group outside of LA in a vibrant and growing market hungry for soccer. Preferably one in the largest city between DC and Atlanta. Yes that would be nice.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html)
Charlotte Eagles averaged under 800 fans per game in USL PRO. Sacramento averages over 13,000, which is why they are at/near the top of the list for an expansion team. With attendance like that, It is no wonder that Charlotte hasn't even been seriously in the discussion. With expansion targeted to be finalized (for now) by 2020 Charlotte May be too late to the game, no pun intended.

The big question is what the hell is MLS going to do with Chivas??  I don't understand their obsession with having two teams in LA when there are lots of great markets out there that would support the team. I guess they are after that local derby flavor that the BPL is blessed with.

I know if I was the railhawks I would be kind of pissed. They never get mentioned as an expansion candidate and look at what they have built up there. As much as I would love to see MLS in Charlotte and as much as much of a hit as it would be it would absolutely kill in Raleigh.

Anyway MLS needs to sell the Chivas to a group in a different market.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Niner National on September 09, 2014, 04:06:01 pm
Interesting read from NY Times about the plight of Chivas USA.

My take, sell the franchise to an ownership group outside of LA in a vibrant and growing market hungry for soccer. Preferably one in the largest city between DC and Atlanta. Yes that would be nice.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html)
Charlotte Eagles averaged under 800 fans per game in USL PRO. Sacramento averages over 13,000, which is why they are at/near the top of the list for an expansion team. With attendance like that, It is no wonder that Charlotte hasn't even been seriously in the discussion. With expansion targeted to be finalized (for now) by 2020 Charlotte May be too late to the game, no pun intended.
You mean people didn't want to go watch a christian based soccer team with no marketing budget that played at local high schools and didn't believe in alcohol being served at games didn't have good attendance?


I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to.  ::)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on September 09, 2014, 04:52:27 pm
Interesting read from NY Times about the plight of Chivas USA.

My take, sell the franchise to an ownership group outside of LA in a vibrant and growing market hungry for soccer. Preferably one in the largest city between DC and Atlanta. Yes that would be nice.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html)
Charlotte Eagles averaged under 800 fans per game in USL PRO. Sacramento averages over 13,000, which is why they are at/near the top of the list for an expansion team. With attendance like that, It is no wonder that Charlotte hasn't even been seriously in the discussion. With expansion targeted to be finalized (for now) by 2020 Charlotte May be too late to the game, no pun intended.
You mean people didn't want to go watch a christian based soccer team with no marketing budget that played at local high schools and didn't believe in alcohol being served at games didn't have good attendance?


I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to.  ::)


Beer sales are key for professional soccer.  Charleston Battery has a sweet pub at their stadium and fans will arrive hours before game time to partake.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 09, 2014, 09:20:25 pm
Interesting read from NY Times about the plight of Chivas USA.

My take, sell the franchise to an ownership group outside of LA in a vibrant and growing market hungry for soccer. Preferably one in the largest city between DC and Atlanta. Yes that would be nice.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/sports/soccer/chivas-usa-trying-to-escape-mls-doldrums.html)
Charlotte Eagles averaged under 800 fans per game in USL PRO. Sacramento averages over 13,000, which is why they are at/near the top of the list for an expansion team. With attendance like that, It is no wonder that Charlotte hasn't even been seriously in the discussion. With expansion targeted to be finalized (for now) by 2020 Charlotte May be too late to the game, no pun intended.
You mean people didn't want to go watch a christian based soccer team with no marketing budget that played at local high schools and didn't believe in alcohol being served at games didn't have good attendance?


I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to.  ::)

My thoughts exactly. Comparing the eagles to a normal pro team doesn't make sense. If they widen the field, spruce up memorial, sell beer and put a decent team on the field I see success in their future.  The location at memorial is key. Easily accessible from the entire region, great site lines, no football lines on the field, etc.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Noreaster on September 09, 2014, 11:08:06 pm
A few points worth considering:


The Eagles were in the USL Pro Championship Game last year vs. Orlando City.  They play very good soccer.  If you are a soccer fan and live in Charlotte, and the only thing holding you back from attending a game of the USL PRO runner-up is alcohol sales at games, that is an unfortunate statement about soccer's prospects in Charlotte.  Even if that DOES keep people away from games, you're telling me that no more than 800 people every other week are willing to sacrifice 2 hours of boozing to watch excellent soccer?  There are nearly 2 million people in the Charlotte region, and nearly 800,000 in the city itself.


I hope a new team can draw better, but Charlotte has a crowded sports landscape for a city its size.  There isn't that much expendable income left over for another high-profile sports team.  Last I checked, Charlotte had a total of about $85 million in expendable income, and all but around $4 million of that was taken up.  That was before the Hounds were in place and I think before the recession, definitely before the Knights moved Uptown so that number is probably lower now.  Memorial Stadium isn't a viable option, long-term, I wouldn't believe.  It would need so much work to get it up to par.  Have you been to MLS stadiums?  They are generally absolutely gorgeous with wide concourses, shiny facilities, and many luxury suites.  I go to Galaxy games, my brother goes to Union games.  The locations are terrible but the stadiums are great.  Memorial is just old.  Not saying it couldn't get there, but the amount of money that would be needed would be better spent on a new stadium.


Regarding Chivas, MLS is dead-set on keeping them in LA.  I don't necessarily agree with that because I don't think that the market can support 2 MLS teams, let alone 2 MLS and 2 USL PRO teams in addition to 6 other major sports teams and the yet-to-be-named NFL team.  It would be better to get more teams in the center of the country, like San Antonio, St. Louis (though not a realistic option due to lack of fan support), or Austin.  But they are stuck on it, and they are going to require a new stadium closer to downtown LA to be part of the deal.  Galaxy really screwed up by building StubHub where they did.  It is on a college campus and uses the campus' parking lots for games.  They are limited to like 12,500 tickets for games on school days, so any non-weekend games have the upper deck and the end lines empty.  It really detracts from the atmosphere.


Here is why I think Charlotte is too late to the games:  There are 19 teams now.  Orlando, Atlanta, and NYCFC are confirmed already.  Miami just needs to find a stadium site  That makes 23.  There is only 1 more spot open to hit the goal of 24 by 2020.  Sacramento Republic is drawing large crowds, and just saw some major investment from one of the Sacramento Kings owners.  He brings money.  Las Vegas has tentative approval on a soccer-specific stadium.  Austin and San Antonio are mentioned consistently as contenders, and they have less pro teams to contend with (Austin has none) and have similar or larger populations than Charlotte.  Minneapolis has interest from MLS, Garber, and Ziggy Wylf.  I don't remember the last time I heard Charlotte in any of the discussions at all.


MLS can't afford to take any risks in expansion.  Every team they choose has to be immediately successful in selling tickets and attracting a wide TV audience.  Can Charlotte do that at the end of the season with college football in full swing on Saturdays?  Right now MLS is the 3rd-best major sports league in the US in average attendance.  Only the NFL and MLB are doing better.  In order to grow as a league and keep their upward trajectory, they need butts in seats as well as large TV audiences so the next contract is larger and the league can double minimum player salaries and double the salary cap.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 09, 2014, 11:38:00 pm


I'm a soccer fan in Charlotte and I have attended several eagles games. They were always a pain in the ass because they were all played in high school stadiums with lines on the field and they were inconvenient to get to. All of that along with their religious aspect which quite frankly I find off putting in a pro sports organization. I could never grab on to them because of all these factors. I think they played this last year on a real soccer field but it's too late.

As far as the excellent soccer they are good but not that good. Not good enough to outweigh all the negatives. I have driven to Raleigh and back several times in one day just to watch a normal soccer team play on a real soccer field rather than go watch the Eagles.  And I didn't think the railhawks were that much better than the Eagles.   It's all about the total package, and the Eagles just didn't have it.

Sorry if that offends, maybe you were a big eagles fan but I just didn't like the environment. I don't want to feel like I'm being preached to when I go watch sports.

I think a LOT of people will feel the same way. They will also appreciate the games being in one central location that's easy to get to.

As far as MLS it may happen it may not, but I wouldn't write them off before they have a chance. And it doesn't matter if they get MLS or not. I'm looking forward to USL Pro and I intend to go to as many games as I can.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Run49er on September 17, 2014, 07:33:32 pm

Website: CHARLOTTE INDEPENDENCE (http://www.charlotteindependence.com/)

Charlotteobserver.com: Charlotte’s USL franchise to change hands Wednesday (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/09/16/5179264/charlottes-usl-franchise-to-change.html#.VBoZupRdV8E)

MLSSoccer.com: Report: Charlotte aims for long-term MLS expansion as USL PRO club changes hands (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/09/17/report-charlotte-aims-long-term-mls-expansion-usl-pro-club-changes-hands)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 17, 2014, 10:42:11 pm
Did any of you guys make it to the big announcement at Backyard Hooligans?

I'm excited about this new team.

The team name is s***, but other than that this group seems to have it together.

They need to hit a home run on their shirt design to get people pumped up to wear their gear.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on September 18, 2014, 07:22:56 am
If they don't have memorial ready by spring they may play at trans-america on campus ... pretty cool!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on September 18, 2014, 11:31:05 am
Some enlightening thoughts in the comments section here from folks who attended

http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-unveiling-charlotte-independence/
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: charlotteguy88 on September 18, 2014, 11:58:22 am
The best comment was from Leaphart
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on September 19, 2014, 01:09:58 am
I would welcome them to TransAmerica. Obviously they can't stay there forever but it would be a nice bridge for them to a widened memorial.

They need to develop the fandom on campus. In a few years when the light rail is finished that could be the soccer train on game days for them. A few hundred fans from campus delivered straight to their doorstep.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: The_Brown_Samurai on September 19, 2014, 07:59:45 am
Stopped by Hooligans, didn't see the actual unveiling though, but there were a lot more people there than I expected.

Yesterday there were players in their kits blowing whistles and handing out "red cards" that had info about the team, on the corners of Trade and Tryon.

I am excited!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on September 19, 2014, 08:22:15 am
Depending on the price/scheduling, I may be getting season tickets to that group.


One of the teams here in Greensboro (Carolina Dynamo) is in the sticks and doesn't serve beer, and the other (Gate City FC) can't find a home.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: The_Brown_Samurai on September 19, 2014, 09:48:54 am
I was just looking on their website for season tickets. Deposits are $50...

http://charlotteindependence.com/# (http://charlotteindependence.com/#)

I am definitely getting season tickets, and if I can find how to, I'll pay the small fee to get into the supporters section too...

Also, I love the crest that's in the lead right now (can't seem to copy paste it into this post). Can't wait to pick up a jersey!

Anyone else looking to get season tickets?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on September 19, 2014, 09:56:39 am
I was just looking on their website for season tickets. Deposits are $50...

http://charlotteindependence.com/# (http://charlotteindependence.com/#)

I am definitely getting season tickets, and if I can find how to, I'll pay the small fee to get into the supporters section too...

Also, I love the crest that's in the lead right now (can't seem to copy paste it into this post). Can't wait to pick up a jersey!

Anyone else looking to get season tickets?
Deposit of $50 is fine, but I'm not committing until I know the total cost.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on September 19, 2014, 10:01:41 am
I was just looking on their website for season tickets. Deposits are $50...

http://charlotteindependence.com/# (http://charlotteindependence.com/#)

I am definitely getting season tickets, and if I can find how to, I'll pay the small fee to get into the supporters section too...

Also, I love the crest that's in the lead right now (can't seem to copy paste it into this post). Can't wait to pick up a jersey!

Anyone else looking to get season tickets?


I think Faith and Trinity and I are in - but like Feltis I want to see total cost.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: The_Brown_Samurai on September 19, 2014, 10:02:24 am
I was just looking on their website for season tickets. Deposits are $50...

http://charlotteindependence.com/# (http://charlotteindependence.com/#)

I am definitely getting season tickets, and if I can find how to, I'll pay the small fee to get into the supporters section too...

Also, I love the crest that's in the lead right now (can't seem to copy paste it into this post). Can't wait to pick up a jersey!

Anyone else looking to get season tickets?
Deposit of $50 is fine, but I'm not committing until I know the total cost.

Here is an estimate from CrownTown. I figure it can't be much more or less than that.

Quote
The full price for season tickets will be around $15/game, so around $225.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on November 13, 2014, 01:54:24 pm
Looks like it may be at TransAmerica in 2015. Hopefully the school is cool with tailgating...


http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/


I wonder if there's a chance of them playing in The Rich instead? Is it big enough for soccer?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on November 13, 2014, 02:13:34 pm
Looks like it may be at TransAmerica in 2015. Hopefully the school is cool with tailgating...


http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/ (http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/)


I wonder if there's a chance of them playing in The Rich instead? Is it big enough for soccer?


You don't play soccer on turf.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on November 13, 2014, 07:27:30 pm
Looks like it may be at TransAmerica in 2015. Hopefully the school is cool with tailgating...


http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/ (http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/)


I wonder if there's a chance of them playing in The Rich instead? Is it big enough for soccer?


You don't play soccer on turf.


clt says pitches are grass, and fields are turf.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on November 13, 2014, 07:51:00 pm
Looks like it may be at TransAmerica in 2015. Hopefully the school is cool with tailgating...


http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/ (http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/)


I wonder if there's a chance of them playing in The Rich instead? Is it big enough for soccer?


You don't play soccer on turf.

Seattle Sounders and Portland Timbers play on turf fields.

But I don't think the Rich is wide enough.

Plus they probably can't remove the lines and logos very easily, which soccer fans hate to see on their fields.

The Rich is a american football specific field I believe.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on November 14, 2014, 09:39:44 am
Looks like Klinsmann isn't on MLS' good side. http://www.espnfc.com/team/united-states/660/blog/post/2145959/jurgen-klinsmann-firm-on-young-player-advice-as-mls-frustration-grows


Once again, looks like the NCAA is to blame.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on November 14, 2014, 10:10:52 am
Looks like Klinsmann isn't on MLS' good side. http://www.espnfc.com/team/united-states/660/blog/post/2145959/jurgen-klinsmann-firm-on-young-player-advice-as-mls-frustration-grows (http://www.espnfc.com/team/united-states/660/blog/post/2145959/jurgen-klinsmann-firm-on-young-player-advice-as-mls-frustration-grows)


Once again, looks like the NCAA is to blame.


This is such an interesting dynamic to me.  On one hand, in order to get American soccer to the point we want it to be, we have to develop the MLS into a top flight league.  This involves having Americas best playing here as well.


On the other hand, Klinsmann is the coach of US Soccer now, and needs to win now.  And he's totally right that the opportunity to develop is greater in abroad than it is here.  But if a guy like Yedlin goes to the Spurs and never sees the pitch (suck it ktwon), is it really a better situation for him than in Seattle?  I'd say no.


The only thing i do know is that we should absolutely be steering our kids AWAY from college soccer.  That whole thing needs to be blown up. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on November 14, 2014, 10:29:24 am
Looks like Klinsmann isn't on MLS' good side. http://www.espnfc.com/team/united-states/660/blog/post/2145959/jurgen-klinsmann-firm-on-young-player-advice-as-mls-frustration-grows (http://www.espnfc.com/team/united-states/660/blog/post/2145959/jurgen-klinsmann-firm-on-young-player-advice-as-mls-frustration-grows)


Once again, looks like the NCAA is to blame.


This is such an interesting dynamic to me.  On one hand, in order to get American soccer to the point we want it to be, we have to develop the MLS into a top flight league.  This involves having Americas best playing here as well.


On the other hand, Klinsmann is the coach of US Soccer now, and needs to win now.  And he's totally right that the opportunity to develop is greater in abroad than it is here.  But if a guy like Yedlin goes to the Spurs and never sees the pitch (suck it ktwon), is it really a better situation for him than in Seattle?  I'd say no.


The only thing i do know is that we should absolutely be steering our kids AWAY from college soccer.  That whole thing needs to be blown up.
I understand why Klinsmann says what he says about sending our players to Europe. But we did watch a bunch of MLS players take it to Portugal in the World Cup and stand on their own pretty well against Germany.


Dempsey went to the Premier League and flourished. Brek Shea has struggled to see the field.


I think once you hit your mid-20s, you need to be playing and playing often. Sitting on the bench isn't helping anyone.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on November 14, 2014, 10:54:00 am
Looks like it may be at TransAmerica in 2015. Hopefully the school is cool with tailgating...


http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/ (http://crowntownsoccer.com/official-independence-will-play-memorial-stadium-2015/)


I wonder if there's a chance of them playing in The Rich instead? Is it big enough for soccer?


You don't play soccer on turf.

Seattle Sounders and Portland Timbers play on turf fields.

But I don't think the Rich is wide enough.

Plus they probably can't remove the lines and logos very easily, which soccer fans hate to see on their fields.

The Rich is a american football specific field I believe.


Let me rephrase... Soccer players are not fans of playing on turf, especially shitty turf (See Women's World Cup issues).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on November 14, 2014, 11:12:35 am

Let me rephrase... Soccer players are not fans of playing on turf, especially shitty turf (See Women's World Cup issues).
Yes, but lots still do. I was just throwing it out there, but I don't think it would happen anyway. Field's too small.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on November 14, 2014, 06:04:17 pm
clt agrees with klinsman. USMNT is more important than MLS.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on November 29, 2014, 01:50:36 pm
I get this feeling the Independence thing will blow up this season. They don't have a coach, a roster, a logo, jerseys or heck, a solid plan of where they will play their games.

USL-Pro season starts in March. That is a lot to accomplish in 4 months.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on November 29, 2014, 02:46:22 pm
I get this feeling the Independence thing will blow up this season. They don't have a coach, a roster, a logo, jerseys or heck, a solid plan of where they will play their games.

USL-Pro season starts in March. That is a lot to accomplish in 4 months.

I think they will pull it together. They have a lot of experience with the hounds. Has it been bungled a bit, yes, but I think they will pull it together for next season and I think they will get the field widened at memorial for the next season.

Honestly that's the key factor here. Everything else is a speed bump. Not getting memorial widened is going to be a road block that relegates them to not much better than the Eagles status.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on November 29, 2014, 10:39:39 pm
I get this feeling the Independence thing will blow up this season. They don't have a coach, a roster, a logo, jerseys or heck, a solid plan of where they will play their games.

USL-Pro season starts in March. That is a lot to accomplish in 4 months.

I think they will pull it together. They have a lot of experience with the hounds. Has it been bungled a bit, yes, but I think they will pull it together for next season and I think they will get the field widened at memorial for the next season.

Honestly that's the key factor here. Everything else is a speed bump. Not getting memorial widened is going to be a road block that relegates them to not much better than the Eagles status.

Exactly. Not playingat Memorial this season is a killer. They are basically the Eagles with a different name.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49er1 on December 04, 2014, 11:26:24 pm
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/12/04/5362406/former-duke-star-mls-coach-mike.html
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on December 05, 2014, 12:56:43 am
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/12/04/5362406/former-duke-star-mls-coach-mike.html

Hard to play "possession with a purpose" with USL-Pro level players.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerFutbol on December 05, 2014, 12:46:51 pm
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/12/04/5362406/former-duke-star-mls-coach-mike.html
"As a player at Duke, Jeffries won the 1983 Hermann Trophy. In 1982, he helped the Blue Devils to the NCAA championship game, where they lost to Indiana in eight overtimes."

Thank goodness for the rules change!!!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on December 08, 2014, 03:49:58 am
How about Donovan? Retires on top. Galaxy have won three out of the last four MLS Cups and now have the most overall (5) in the league's 19 year history.

Donovan retires as the all-time leader in the following categories:
- MLS goals scored
- MLS assists
- MLS postseason goals scored
- MLS postseason assists
- Most MLS Cups won (6 --- 4 with LA, 2 with San Jose)
- USA goals scored
- USA assists

LegenD

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Year 20 will be a big one for MLS. League just had its most successful season (avg. 19,150 per game, about 4,000 more than 10 years ago) and new TV deal with Fox and ESPN will give more exposure than ever and set match times for nationally televised games (FINALLY!).

Donovan and Thierry Henry exit but Káká, Lampard and David Villa will start their MLS careers.

League will be comprised of 20 teams, 10 in each conference. Sporting Kansas City and Houston Dynamo leave the East for the West as New York City FC and Orlando City debut as newest members in MLS.

San Jose Earthquakes will debut the newest soccer specific stadium in MLS (Avaya Stadium, look it up, it's gorgeous) while Orlando have started construction on theirs and DC United and New England get closer and closer to securing their own deals.

I love watching this league grow and I hopen it continues at this rate.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on December 08, 2014, 03:55:15 am
By the way, in college soccer news the College Cup is set:

UCLA vs Providence
Virginia vs UMBC (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Maryland,_Baltimore_County)

I predict UVA to win it all.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on December 16, 2014, 04:28:31 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5AUGeGIAAAGrZX.png)

 :cool:
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on December 16, 2014, 05:27:30 pm
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Very cool.  Unfortunately no USA match.  Mexico has been confirmed as one of the four teams that will take part.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on December 16, 2014, 07:00:18 pm
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 8)

Very cool.  Unfortunately no USA match.  Mexico has been confirmed as one of the four teams that will take part.

Going to Mexican soccer match is an event.  I saw them in a friendly against Ecuador. Before we left we knew everyone in our row and most of the rows behind us. $1 Coronas on the way out kept the post game tailgate going til 1am
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on December 18, 2014, 08:45:05 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5AUGeGIAAAGrZX.png)

 8)

Very cool.  Unfortunately no USA match.  Mexico has been confirmed as one of the four teams that will take part.

Going to Mexican soccer match is an event.  I saw them in a friendly against Ecuador. Before we left we knew everyone in our row and most of the rows behind us. $1 Coronas on the way out kept the post game tailgate going til 1am

Yeah I saw their B (if not C) team take on Iceland in a friendly 5-6 years ago at B of A and there were at least 65,000 people there.

I saw them last year in Dallas in the Gold Cup semis double header (USA vs Honduras, Mexico vs Panama) at Jerry World. Crowd was incredible. That place was PACKED and louder than any Cowboys game according to a few buddies of mine that also went (Cowboys season ticket holders).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on December 18, 2014, 10:33:23 am
When do tickets go on sale for the Gold Cup. I would like to attend.


I selfishly hope Canada gets selected into that group, even though they'd probably prefer to get in the group that plays in Toronto.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on December 21, 2014, 05:00:23 am
Mix Diskerud's dad is an international loan shark: https://sports.vice.com/article/american-soccer-stars-father-accused-of-running-multimillion-dollar-scam-in-norway/

Iceland is the best team:  https://sports.vice.com/article/life-as-struggle-how-iceland-became-the-worlds-best-pound-for-pound-soccer-team/
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on December 29, 2014, 11:47:13 pm
What do you guys think about the news from David Scott that the Independence are looking at the rich as their temporary home?  As much as I appreciate the fact that their organization recognizes the awesomeness of our stadium, I really hate soccer played on lined football fields. Would rather see them at Transamerica but I guess they want a bigger crowd.

Pretty cool that our school has TWO options they are looking at.

Also, anyway we can temporarily paint over the lines to reduce the impact?  Is that what they do in Seattle?  Always seems like you can just see the lines a bit but it's either painted over or removed temporarily somehow. Doesn't look too bad.

They do the same in the cowboys stadium and if memory serves we have the same type of turf field so maybe painting/line removal is an option.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Niner National on December 30, 2014, 12:31:52 am
What do you guys think about the news from David Scott that the Independence are looking at the rich as their temporary home?  As much as I appreciate the fact that their organization recognizes the awesomeness of our stadium, I really hate soccer played on lined football fields. Would rather see them at Transamerica but I guess they want a bigger crowd.

Pretty cool that our school has TWO options they are looking at.

Also, anyway we can temporarily paint over the lines to reduce the impact?  Is that what they do in Seattle?  Always seems like you can just see the lines a bit but it's either painted over or removed temporarily somehow. Doesn't look too bad.

They do the same in the cowboys stadium and if memory serves we have the same type of turf field so maybe painting/line removal is an option.
take their money and use it for upgrades to our own facilities. I'm sure our soccer facilities could use some improvements.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on December 30, 2014, 10:20:16 am
Just go ahead and put real grass down.


The soccer will be better, and our students might finally stop whining about the heat.  8)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on December 30, 2014, 07:56:16 pm
What do you guys think about the news from David Scott that the Independence are looking at the rich as their temporary home?  As much as I appreciate the fact that their organization recognizes the awesomeness of our stadium, I really hate soccer played on lined football fields. Would rather see them at Transamerica but I guess they want a bigger crowd.

Pretty cool that our school has TWO options they are looking at.

Also, anyway we can temporarily paint over the lines to reduce the impact?  Is that what they do in Seattle?  Always seems like you can just see the lines a bit but it's either painted over or removed temporarily somehow. Doesn't look too bad.

They do the same in the cowboys stadium and if memory serves we have the same type of turf field so maybe painting/line removal is an option.
take their money and use it for upgrades to our own facilities. I'm sure our soccer facilities could use some improvements.

I'm not sure what we could do to improve Transamerica. Another snack bar would be good. That's about it.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on December 31, 2014, 12:33:38 pm
clt once again proposes a soccer only facility on campus for the niners, and the future mls team in charlotte.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on January 03, 2015, 01:30:47 pm
clt once again proposes a soccer only facility on campus for the niners, and the future mls team in charlotte.

MLS is all about downtown stadiums now. The days of suburbia expansion are long gone. If you cant get a downtown stadium you wont get a franchise.

It took them 20 years but they finally realized making soccer moms their main target audience wasnt a long term sustainable form of profit (soccer moms and their kids dont think beer, 21-39 year olds do, and they get rowdy, and they chant and wave flags and build tifos etc...).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerFutbol on January 03, 2015, 01:50:14 pm
Although Transamerica is very nice, I think a SSS for the Niners should be given serious consideration for a program that is in the mix for CC every year - perhaps on par with what Looserville just got done.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on January 03, 2015, 07:03:40 pm
Although Transamerica is very nice, I think a SSS for the Niners should be given serious consideration for a program that is in the mix for CC every year - perhaps on par with what Looserville just got done.

Haven't had time to research louisvilles stadium but a SSS is would be awesome. Need to invest in this successful program.

Hell it doesn't even have to be as big as Transamerica. Just make it soccer specific for the quality of the experience. Give it plenty of grass slope seating in case we need overflow.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 10, 2015, 11:01:12 am
The logo leaked a day early.  I like it, very nice for a USL logo.  What do you guys think?

(http://i2.wp.com/www.crowntownsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CLTIndependence.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on February 10, 2015, 11:02:31 am
I like it.  Really like the crown/ball at the top.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ImfromClayton on February 10, 2015, 11:03:38 am
I really liked the logos with the script "Charlotte"  but that one is cool too!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 10, 2015, 11:14:48 am
I like it.  Really like the crown/ball at the top.

Haha that's my least favorite part of the logo  ;D

edit: I should add that while I like the idea of creating a symbol that blends the two objects, I think their execution is lacking since it doesn't really look like a crown or a soccer ball.  To me at least.
 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 10, 2015, 11:16:14 am
I really liked the logos with the script "Charlotte"  but that one is cool too!

Which one was that?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 10, 2015, 05:46:11 pm
The logo leaked a day early.  I like it, very nice for a USL logo.  What do you guys think?

(http://i2.wp.com/www.crowntownsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CLTIndependence.jpg)

I like it. I'm a bit color blind. Is that tan or gold in the background. Looks tan to me.

I could dig a tan I I with some nice accents with the other colors. That would be kind of unique.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 10, 2015, 05:54:07 pm
The logo leaked a day early.  I like it, very nice for a USL logo.  What do you guys think?

(http://i2.wp.com/www.crowntownsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CLTIndependence.jpg)

I like it. I'm a bit color blind. Is that tan or gold in the background. Looks tan to me.

I could dig a tan I I with some nice accents with the other colors. That would be kind of unique.

I think tan and navy is how they are billing it. Basically same color scheme as the Hounds and seeing as it is the same ownership group that makes sense.

Reminiscent of the Philadelphia Uniom colors to me.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: FortyNinersForLife on February 11, 2015, 09:03:13 pm
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
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Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on February 11, 2015, 09:24:44 pm
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
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Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!


clt says name confusion log.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 11, 2015, 09:40:17 pm
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
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Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!

Not ideal.  I think this is the type of thing they were trying to avoid the entire time, moving around from stadium to stadium like the Charlotte Eagles did.  Doesn't really give you a sense of "pro".

Some people in the know at the event today said that the deal for a temporary 4,500 seat (all covered apparently!) stadium at Ramblewood Soccer Complex in south Charlotte is nearly done.  That set up would have everything that you would expect: beer and food stands, portajohns, merchandise tables.  All in all, I think it would be a pretty ideal situation under the circumstances. 

As long as the long term plan is Memorial Stadium and that site (excellent downtown location with skyline view, exactly what MLS want) then all is well.  This year is important though.  If they want MLS to even look at Charlotte from the corner of their eye then they better start working their asses off to ensure all 4,500 of those seats (if indeed that is the option they go with) will be sold out for every home game this season (including the one at Transamerica).

The scheduling has me confused.  According to their website they will have 16 home games and 12 road games.  How is that possible?  Wouldn't everyone have an unbalanced schedule then? http://www.charlotteindependence.com/schedule/

By the way:
(http://i.imgur.com/yiqpvjc.png)

"UNCC" sigh... I guess it is the most recognizable moniker we go by in our fair city and if they want the general public to be there that's what they went with.  Would it have been that hard to add nine more characters for "UNC Charlotte"?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49er1 on February 11, 2015, 09:40:52 pm
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
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Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!


clt says name confusion log.

Nope. They're not referring to the athletic teams. The school's name is STILL The University of North Carolina at Charlotte. The abbreviation for that is "UNCC" and always will be until they change the school's name to The University of Charlotte or Charlotte University. I hope I live to see it. Not holding my breath, but I hope to see it changed one day.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 11, 2015, 09:54:57 pm
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
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Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!


clt says name confusion log.

Nope. They're not referring to the athletic teams. The school's name is STILL The University of North Carolina at Charlotte. The abbreviation for that is "UNCC" and always will be until they change the school's name to The University of Charlotte or Charlotte University. I hope I live to see it. Not holding my breath, but I hope to see it changed one day.

Not to derail the lovely soccer conversation too much BUT (for the record, I agree with everything you said above, an acronym is an acronym, and it is one that is still used for our main website and email domain) while I was a student there and the Stake Your Claim campaign debuted, there was a memo sent out to all professors and other university staff to refrain from using "UNCC" in any official matter and simply use "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte".  If you go back and look through the rebranding documents when they slightly updated the crown logo and the fonts, you will see no mention of "UNCC".  I verified said memo with two separate professors at the time (I graduated with a B.A. in Communication Studies with an emphasis on PR so both myself and my professors were very interested in that sort of stuff).  The memo actually said that those who did not follow the new format would be given a formal warning the first time then serious reprimands would be taken if further mistakes occurred.

You will notice also that in any official documentation from Dubois or anything else related to the Stake Your Claim campaign, you never see "UNCC". 

All that to say that yes, from a common sense perspective UNCC is still our name but Dubois keeps thinking, in an incredibly flawed fashion, that you can simply move away from an acronym by throwing money at countless subpar marketing campaigns.  You can't.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Niner National on February 11, 2015, 10:21:02 pm
All Independence games will be streamed online, in HD, for free, on YouTube.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 11, 2015, 10:31:01 pm
All Independence games will be streamed online, in HD, for free, on YouTube.

Not just the Independence, every single USL game.  Great job by them to get that set up.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on February 12, 2015, 06:37:21 am
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
Quote
Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!


clt says name confusion log.

Nope. They're not referring to the athletic teams. The school's name is STILL The University of North Carolina at Charlotte. The abbreviation for that is "UNCC" and always will be until they change the school's name to The University of Charlotte or Charlotte University. I hope I live to see it. Not holding my breath, but I hope to see it changed one day.

Not to derail the lovely soccer conversation too much BUT (for the record, I agree with everything you said above, an acronym is an acronym, and it is one that is still used for our main website and email domain) while I was a student there and the Stake Your Claim campaign debuted, there was a memo sent out to all professors and other university staff to refrain from using "UNCC" in any official matter and simply use "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte".  If you go back and look through the rebranding documents when they slightly updated the crown logo and the fonts, you will see no mention of "UNCC".  I verified said memo with two separate professors at the time (I graduated with a B.A. in Communication Studies with an emphasis on PR so both myself and my professors were very interested in that sort of stuff).  The memo actually said that those who did not follow the new format would be given a formal warning the first time then serious reprimands would be taken if further mistakes occurred.

You will notice also that in any official documentation from Dubois or anything else related to the Stake Your Claim campaign, you never see "UNCC". 

All that to say that yes, from a common sense perspective UNCC is still our name but Dubois keeps thinking, in an incredibly flawed fashion, that you can simply move away from an acronym by throwing money at countless subpar marketing campaigns.  You can't.




clt says this is like when usair rebranded as usairways....but if they kept usair.com and @usair.com as website and email addresses. Dumb.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: s9er on February 12, 2015, 08:38:47 am
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49er1 on February 12, 2015, 10:36:00 am
I hadn't seen anybody mention it, so in case this is new info.  Per the Charlotte Independence Twitter:
Quote
Our 1st ever match will be played at UNCC - Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27. Remainder of the season will be announced soon!


clt says name confusion log.

Nope. They're not referring to the athletic teams. The school's name is STILL The University of North Carolina at Charlotte. The abbreviation for that is "UNCC" and always will be until they change the school's name to The University of Charlotte or Charlotte University. I hope I live to see it. Not holding my breath, but I hope to see it changed one day.

Not to derail the lovely soccer conversation too much BUT (for the record, I agree with everything you said above, an acronym is an acronym, and it is one that is still used for our main website and email domain) while I was a student there and the Stake Your Claim campaign debuted, there was a memo sent out to all professors and other university staff to refrain from using "UNCC" in any official matter and simply use "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte".  If you go back and look through the rebranding documents when they slightly updated the crown logo and the fonts, you will see no mention of "UNCC".  I verified said memo with two separate professors at the time (I graduated with a B.A. in Communication Studies with an emphasis on PR so both myself and my professors were very interested in that sort of stuff).  The memo actually said that those who did not follow the new format would be given a formal warning the first time then serious reprimands would be taken if further mistakes occurred.

You will notice also that in any official documentation from Dubois or anything else related to the Stake Your Claim campaign, you never see "UNCC". 

All that to say that yes, from a common sense perspective UNCC is still our name but Dubois keeps thinking, in an incredibly flawed fashion, that you can simply move away from an acronym by throwing money at countless subpar marketing campaigns.  You can't.

Sorry, I should have clarified. I KNOW the school does not use UNCC, but the MEDIA do. And the UNCC reference here was made in the media by a 3rd party not directly associated with the school. The media and 3rd parties (ignorant ones) will keep using UNCC cause it saves them time and space like all abbreviations/acronyms do: FDR, RMN, JFK, LBJ, POTUS, SCOTUS, etc.  Ever do this in YOUR text messages? Thought so.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: FortyNinersForLife on February 12, 2015, 11:12:59 am
Better:
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ICYMI: Our 1st ever game will be hosted by UNC Charlotte at Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27 vs Charleston Battery
Also to get on topic.  I really like the logo.  And while it is obviously not the main goal, I can't wait to see the game here, as a student and growing fan of the sport.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 12, 2015, 01:39:56 pm
Better:
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ICYMI: Our 1st ever game will be hosted by UNC Charlotte at Transamerica Field on Friday 3/27 vs Charleston Battery
Also to get on topic.  I really like the logo.  And while it is obviously not the main goal, I can't wait to see the game here, as a student and growing fan of the sport.

I politely asked them over facebook if they would change and they did 😊.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 13, 2015, 09:18:39 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

I second this. If we can't change names then f*** it. Let's just go back to UNCC. That's what everyone calls it anyway. I'm sick of this BS.  Either change names or just go with it. Own it.

As far as the launch goes. Do you guys who know development and construction think it's feasible that they can really have a temporary stadium in Ramblewood in enough time to make an impact this season?  That seems possible but unlikely.

And the whole thing about widening Memorial for 2016. That just seems impossible to get approved by a government agency, get funded, and get done in one calendar year. IF they had a date for construction start RIGHT now maybe I could buy it but damn they have nothing solid. Seems like a pipe dream to me.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 13, 2015, 09:34:08 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

S9er, I take the opposite view. I think their launch had been seriously flawed.

1.  They announced that they would have a naming contest. Just like Seattle sounders did which was huge. Lots of people were excited. Then they bailed on that.

2.  They picked a s*** name with MLS 1.0 stink all over it.

3.  They picked a s*** name that most people think of locally as a high school with a great football team.

4.  They picked a s*** name that is based on dubious history.

5.  They have yet to announce where all their games will be played and how much season tickets will cost. And they had the gall to ask people to put down deposits without them knowing that information.

6. Months after the announcement you still cannot buy any gear of the team!

7. They have teased the fan base with this Memorial stadium project. They act like it's a done deal but it's a month before the first game more or less and still no deal. No permanent home for 2015 announced.

8. They were seriously considering using a football stadium with lines for their opener and maybe their season. You have to be kidding me.

9. It's a little over a month till the first game and they still don't have their roster filled out.

I wish them luck, I will attend games and be a fan but it had been far from stellar. Mediocre if you ask me.

And they are going to regret that team name down the road. Just s***.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 14, 2015, 02:16:41 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

S9er, I take the opposite view. I think their launch had been seriously flawed.

1.  They announced that they would have a naming contest. Just like Seattle sounders did which was huge. Lots of people were excited. Then they bailed on that.

2.  They picked a s*** name with MLS 1.0 stink all over it.

3.  They picked a s*** name that most people think of locally as a high school with a great football team.

4.  They picked a s*** name that is based on dubious history.

5.  They have yet to announce where all their games will be played and how much season tickets will cost. And they had the gall to ask people to put down deposits without them knowing that information.

6. Months after the announcement you still cannot buy any gear of the team!

7. They have teased the fan base with this Memorial stadium project. They act like it's a done deal but it's a month before the first game more or less and still no deal. No permanent home for 2015 announced.

8. They were seriously considering using a football stadium with lines for their opener and maybe their season. You have to be kidding me.

9. It's a little over a month till the first game and they still don't have their roster filled out.

I wish them luck, I will attend games and be a fan but it had been far from stellar. Mediocre if you ask me.

And they are going to regret that team name down the road. Just s***.

This is pretty much spot on.  Other than the logo, which I like, everything else they've done has small time written all over it. 

I agree that they could have come up with something MUCH better than Independence but all in all I think it could have been much worse.  If they ever make a realistic push for MLS (doubtful the way they've run this thing so far; this ownership group has small time written all over it [MLS and MLL are in different galaxies in every single perspective] and small time is not what MLS is interested in anymore) the name will fit in nicely with other US history monickers such as the Philadelphia Union and the New England Revolution. 

If the name really becomes an issue down the line (doubt it will), this is America, they can always change it.

PS: The Sounders did have a naming campaign but the Seattle Sounders were a soccer team in that city since the 70s, same with the Timbers in Portland and the Earthquakes in San Jose.  Those markets had a built in soccer history they could work off of.  All Charlotte has is a few years of the Carolina Lighnin' in the failed ASL and the Independence logo actually gave a nod to the Lightnin' with the "strike" below Captain Jack.

Oh, one other thing about the name: while "Independence" is a mouthful, I do like the #COYJ thing and "Jacks" in general as a nickname for the club.  I think the several organized supporters groups will do a good job of making that an unofficial official nickname.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 14, 2015, 02:19:39 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

I second this. If we can't change names then f*** it. Let's just go back to UNCC. That's what everyone calls it anyway. I'm sick of this BS.  Either change names or just go with it. Own it.

As far as the launch goes. Do you guys who know development and construction think it's feasible that they can really have a temporary stadium in Ramblewood in enough time to make an impact this season?  That seems possible but unlikely.

And the whole thing about widening Memorial for 2016. That just seems impossible to get approved by a government agency, get funded, and get done in one calendar year. IF they had a date for construction start RIGHT now maybe I could buy it but damn they have nothing solid. Seems like a pipe dream to me.

No.

With that attitude we'll become the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - Charlotte Campus in a few years.  UNCC is a mess for so many reasons.  It needs to be changed and it will be changed once we have an administration in place with a backbone. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 14, 2015, 04:19:17 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

S9er, I take the opposite view. I think their launch had been seriously flawed.

1.  They announced that they would have a naming contest. Just like Seattle sounders did which was huge. Lots of people were excited. Then they bailed on that.

2.  They picked a s*** name with MLS 1.0 stink all over it.

3.  They picked a s*** name that most people think of locally as a high school with a great football team.

4.  They picked a s*** name that is based on dubious history.

5.  They have yet to announce where all their games will be played and how much season tickets will cost. And they had the gall to ask people to put down deposits without them knowing that information.

6. Months after the announcement you still cannot buy any gear of the team!

7. They have teased the fan base with this Memorial stadium project. They act like it's a done deal but it's a month before the first game more or less and still no deal. No permanent home for 2015 announced.

8. They were seriously considering using a football stadium with lines for their opener and maybe their season. You have to be kidding me.

9. It's a little over a month till the first game and they still don't have their roster filled out.

I wish them luck, I will attend games and be a fan but it had been far from stellar. Mediocre if you ask me.

And they are going to regret that team name down the road. Just s***.

This is pretty much spot on.  Other than the logo, which I like, everything else they've done has small time written all over it. 

I agree that they could have come up with something MUCH better than Independence but all in all I think it could have been much worse.  If they ever make a realistic push for MLS (doubtful the way they've run this thing so far; this ownership group has small time written all over it [MLS and MLL are in different galaxies in every single perspective] and small time is not what MLS is interested in anymore) the name will fit in nicely with other US history monickers such as the Philadelphia Union and the New England Revolution. 

If the name really becomes an issue down the line (doubt it will), this is America, they can always change it.

PS: The Sounders did have a naming campaign but the Seattle Sounders were a soccer team in that city since the 70s, same with the Timbers in Portland and the Earthquakes in San Jose.  Those markets had a built in soccer history they could work off of.  All Charlotte has is a few years of the Carolina Lighnin' in the failed ASL and the Independence logo actually gave a nod to the Lightnin' with the "strike" below Captain Jack.

Oh, one other thing about the name: while "Independence" is a mouthful, I do like the #COYJ thing and "Jacks" in general as a nickname for the club.  I think the several organized supporters groups will do a good job of making that an unofficial official nickname.

I am well aware of the sounders history. I read the book Authentic Masterpiece which traced the entire history of Seattle soccer and sounders history.

The point was that they told people they would have a naming contest and bailed on it and ended up with a shitty name.

If they had gone with the contest that wouldn't have happens AND they wouldn't have looked like they don't know what they are doing.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 14, 2015, 04:23:39 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

I second this. If we can't change names then f*** it. Let's just go back to UNCC. That's what everyone calls it anyway. I'm sick of this BS.  Either change names or just go with it. Own it.

As far as the launch goes. Do you guys who know development and construction think it's feasible that they can really have a temporary stadium in Ramblewood in enough time to make an impact this season?  That seems possible but unlikely.

And the whole thing about widening Memorial for 2016. That just seems impossible to get approved by a government agency, get funded, and get done in one calendar year. IF they had a date for construction start RIGHT now maybe I could buy it but damn they have nothing solid. Seems like a pipe dream to me.

No.

With that attitude we'll become the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - Charlotte Campus in a few years.  UNCC is a mess for so many reasons.  It needs to be changed and it will be changed once we have an administration in place with a backbone.

I think you overstate the case. If we were going to become the University of North Carolina Charlotte Campus that would have happened a long time ago. We are far stronger and more prestigious now than when I went there.

Being UNCC has not held us back. What holds us back, and many would argue that we have not, is the failure to start a medical and law school. The fact that the Charlotte school of law was started in this market and we didn't start our own law school is FUBAR. Having a law school at UNCC with public school tuition levels and located in downtown Charlotte would have been a HUGE win for us.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: s9er on February 16, 2015, 09:06:33 am
Back to the "failed roll out"

I'm not sure what you exactly eexpect- you don't like the nickname clearly, or don't like the fact that you didn't get to name it..  I've seen "Small time" used.. What exactly did you expect? I hate to break it to you, this league is small time. 99.9% of sports fans in America couldn't tell you the league name, let alone any of the teams. MLS is a very distant 5th in major league sports in this country, a lower division soccer league isn't going to be but a half tick about the pro lacrosse league.   

I think the logo looks sharp and they have been in the news far more than I expected. Perhaps this is a byproduct of rock bottom expectation on my part.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on February 16, 2015, 09:22:50 am
Back to the "failed roll out"

I'm not sure what you exactly eexpect- you don't like the nickname clearly, or don't like the fact that you didn't get to name it..  I've seen "Small time" used.. What exactly did you expect? I hate to break it to you, this league is small time. 99.9% of sports fans in America couldn't tell you the league name, let alone any of the teams. MLS is a very distant 5th in major league sports in this country, a lower division soccer league isn't going to be but a half tick about the pro lacrosse league.   

I think the logo looks sharp and they have been in the news far more than I expected. Perhaps this is a byproduct of rock bottom expectation on my part.
The crest is fantastic, in my opinion. One of the best in pro soccer in this country.


The USL is small-time. MLS' popularity has grown immensely in the past decade, but the lower tiers of soccer have a long way to go. Teams seem to come and go in the lower tiers every season. Eventually, one or two stand out and lead to MLS franchises; Orlando being the most recent.


I've actually been pleasantly surprised at how the Independence has gone so far, there's more attention being paid to it than the Eagles seemed to get. If they truly intend on bidding for MLS, the city will really need to buy in.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: s9er on February 16, 2015, 10:50:48 am
Back to the "failed roll out"

I'm not sure what you exactly eexpect- you don't like the nickname clearly, or don't like the fact that you didn't get to name it..  I've seen "Small time" used.. What exactly did you expect? I hate to break it to you, this league is small time. 99.9% of sports fans in America couldn't tell you the league name, let alone any of the teams. MLS is a very distant 5th in major league sports in this country, a lower division soccer league isn't going to be but a half tick about the pro lacrosse league.   

I think the logo looks sharp and they have been in the news far more than I expected. Perhaps this is a byproduct of rock bottom expectation on my part.
The crest is fantastic, in my opinion. One of the best in pro soccer in this country.


The USL is small-time. MLS' popularity has grown immensely in the past decade, but the lower tiers of soccer have a long way to go. Teams seem to come and go in the lower tiers every season. Eventually, one or two stand out and lead to MLS franchises; Orlando being the most recent.


I've actually been pleasantly surprised at how the Independence has gone so far, there's more attention being paid to it than the Eagles seemed to get. If they truly intend on bidding for MLS, the city will really need to buy in.

This was what I was trying to get at, poorly it seems..   I hope this is a success, I enjoy the game and hope this is a big hit in the city.. I think the appetite is there to be a winner.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Nugget on February 16, 2015, 11:13:59 am
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

I second this. If we can't change names then f*** it. Let's just go back to UNCC. That's what everyone calls it anyway. I'm sick of this BS.  Either change names or just go with it. Own it.

As far as the launch goes. Do you guys who know development and construction think it's feasible that they can really have a temporary stadium in Ramblewood in enough time to make an impact this season?  That seems possible but unlikely.

And the whole thing about widening Memorial for 2016. That just seems impossible to get approved by a government agency, get funded, and get done in one calendar year. IF they had a date for construction start RIGHT now maybe I could buy it but damn they have nothing solid. Seems like a pipe dream to me.

No.

With that attitude we'll become the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - Charlotte Campus in a few years.  UNCC is a mess for so many reasons.  It needs to be changed and it will be changed once we have an administration in place with a backbone.

I think you overstate the case. If we were going to become the University of North Carolina Charlotte Campus that would have happened a long time ago. We are far stronger and more prestigious now than when I went there.

Being UNCC has not held us back. What holds us back, and many would argue that we have not, is the failure to start a medical and law school. The fact that the Charlotte school of law was started in this market and we didn't start our own law school is FUBAR. Having a law school at UNCC with public school tuition levels and located in downtown Charlotte would have been a HUGE win for us.


We seem to be getting off track here, but I don't like soccer anyway so I am good with that.  We have several attorneys here and I would like to hear their opinion of starting a law school on campus.  It seems to me that there are too many law schools out there already and it would be a bad move.  Med school, yes.  Vet school, yes.  Otherwise keep the focus on STEM programs.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on February 16, 2015, 01:52:47 pm
Long felt that we should acquire Charlotte Law, and shame on the UNC BOG for playing politics and leaving the door open for a private school.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 16, 2015, 02:01:53 pm
Back to the "failed roll out"

I'm not sure what you exactly eexpect- you don't like the nickname clearly, or don't like the fact that you didn't get to name it..  I've seen "Small time" used.. What exactly did you expect? I hate to break it to you, this league is small time. 99.9% of sports fans in America couldn't tell you the league name, let alone any of the teams. MLS is a very distant 5th in major league sports in this country, a lower division soccer league isn't going to be but a half tick about the pro lacrosse league.   

I think the logo looks sharp and they have been in the news far more than I expected. Perhaps this is a byproduct of rock bottom expectation on my part.

"Small time" because this ownership group, from infancy (when the Queen City SC site & facebook page was first launched) declared loud and proud that they were doing all of this with one singular goal in mind: MLS.

Nothing so far, except maybe the crest (it's nice but if the club ever moves up, MLS would still ask them to improve it in some way like they've asked every club that has moved up from the USL), has been presented in that way.

They have pretty much been behind the 8-ball on every announcement.  Several times they've released a save-the-date for a "big announcement" only to take that back when it was clear they were not prepared. This isn't rocket science stuff.

They are a little over a month away from their first official match and fans still don't know how much season tickets that they put deposits down on back in September will cost.

I have no previous experience with any USL club and how they operate but having lived in DFW for over two years I can tell you that in terms of marketing/operations/game presentation FC Dallas is right up there with the Mavs and Stars (I haven't been to a Cowboys game so I can't give an honest opinion on that).

I understand the budget constraints, Rome wasn't built in a day, I get it but if you're going to come out right from the start and say MLS is the goal then under those budgetary and resource constraints, you need to figure out a way to be as buttoned up as possible.  So far, these guys haven't.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on February 16, 2015, 02:06:29 pm
Back to the "failed roll out"

I'm not sure what you exactly eexpect- you don't like the nickname clearly, or don't like the fact that you didn't get to name it..  I've seen "Small time" used.. What exactly did you expect? I hate to break it to you, this league is small time. 99.9% of sports fans in America couldn't tell you the league name, let alone any of the teams. MLS is a very distant 5th in major league sports in this country, a lower division soccer league isn't going to be but a half tick about the pro lacrosse league.   

I think the logo looks sharp and they have been in the news far more than I expected. Perhaps this is a byproduct of rock bottom expectation on my part.

"Small time" because this ownership group, from infancy (when the Queen City SC site & facebook page was first launched) declared loud and proud that they were doing all of this with one singular goal in mind: MLS.

Nothing so far, except maybe the crest (it's nice but if the club ever moves up, MLS would still ask them to improve it in some way like they've asked every club that has moved up from the USL), has been presented in that way.

They have pretty much been behind the 8-ball on every announcement.  Several times they've released a save-the-date for a "big announcement" only to take that back when it was clear they were not prepared. This isn't rocket science stuff.

They are a little over a month away from their first official match and fans still don't know how much season tickets that they put deposits down on back in September will cost.

I have no previous experience with any USL club and how they operate but having lived in DFW for over two years I can tell you that in terms of marketing/operations/game presentation FC Dallas is right up there with the Mavs and Stars (I haven't been to a Cowboys game so I can't give an honest opinion on that).

I understand the budget constraints, Rome wasn't built in a day, I get it but if you're going to come out right from the start and say MLS is the goal then under those budgetary and resource constraints, you need to figure out a way to be as buttoned up as possible.  So far, these guys haven't.
I think they would've been better off launching in 2016, but it appears the timetable has to be aggressive if Charlotte is to be considered for MLS expansion within the next decade. So many cities have a big head start.


If MLS goes to 30, I think there's a chance, but we may have already missed the boat.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 16, 2015, 03:27:34 pm
Back to the "failed roll out"

I'm not sure what you exactly eexpect- you don't like the nickname clearly, or don't like the fact that you didn't get to name it..  I've seen "Small time" used.. What exactly did you expect? I hate to break it to you, this league is small time. 99.9% of sports fans in America couldn't tell you the league name, let alone any of the teams. MLS is a very distant 5th in major league sports in this country, a lower division soccer league isn't going to be but a half tick about the pro lacrosse league.   

I think the logo looks sharp and they have been in the news far more than I expected. Perhaps this is a byproduct of rock bottom expectation on my part.

"Small time" because this ownership group, from infancy (when the Queen City SC site & facebook page was first launched) declared loud and proud that they were doing all of this with one singular goal in mind: MLS.

Nothing so far, except maybe the crest (it's nice but if the club ever moves up, MLS would still ask them to improve it in some way like they've asked every club that has moved up from the USL), has been presented in that way.

They have pretty much been behind the 8-ball on every announcement.  Several times they've released a save-the-date for a "big announcement" only to take that back when it was clear they were not prepared. This isn't rocket science stuff.

They are a little over a month away from their first official match and fans still don't know how much season tickets that they put deposits down on back in September will cost.

I have no previous experience with any USL club and how they operate but having lived in DFW for over two years I can tell you that in terms of marketing/operations/game presentation FC Dallas is right up there with the Mavs and Stars (I haven't been to a Cowboys game so I can't give an honest opinion on that).

I understand the budget constraints, Rome wasn't built in a day, I get it but if you're going to come out right from the start and say MLS is the goal then under those budgetary and resource constraints, you need to figure out a way to be as buttoned up as possible.  So far, these guys haven't.
I think they would've been better off launching in 2016, but it appears the timetable has to be aggressive if Charlotte is to be considered for MLS expansion within the next decade. So many cities have a big head start.


If MLS goes to 30, I think there's a chance, but we may have already missed the boat.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!

30 would be unprecedented. You would have to split it into two 15 team conferences and have every team play everyone else in conference home and away vs each other for 28 regular season matches then have a UEFA knock-out style round of 16-QF-SF-F two legged format (except for the final). Top 16 teams across all conferences.

Now that would be awesome!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on February 16, 2015, 03:46:03 pm
I think they would've been better off launching in 2016, but it appears the timetable has to be aggressive if Charlotte is to be considered for MLS expansion within the next decade. So many cities have a big head start.


If MLS goes to 30, I think there's a chance, but we may have already missed the boat.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!

30 would be unprecedented.
It would only be unprecedented in the world of pro soccer. It's not unprecedented in the landscape of professional sports in North America.


NBA - 30 teams
NFL - 32 teams
MLB - 30 teams
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 16, 2015, 04:12:44 pm
I think they would've been better off launching in 2016, but it appears the timetable has to be aggressive if Charlotte is to be considered for MLS expansion within the next decade. So many cities have a big head start.


If MLS goes to 30, I think there's a chance, but we may have already missed the boat.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!

30 would be unprecedented.
It would only be unprecedented in the world of pro soccer.

Obviously what I meant lol.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ZombieLew on February 16, 2015, 04:15:20 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

I second this. If we can't change names then f*** it. Let's just go back to UNCC. That's what everyone calls it anyway. I'm sick of this BS.  Either change names or just go with it. Own it.

As far as the launch goes. Do you guys who know development and construction think it's feasible that they can really have a temporary stadium in Ramblewood in enough time to make an impact this season?  That seems possible but unlikely.

And the whole thing about widening Memorial for 2016. That just seems impossible to get approved by a government agency, get funded, and get done in one calendar year. IF they had a date for construction start RIGHT now maybe I could buy it but damn they have nothing solid. Seems like a pipe dream to me.

No.

With that attitude we'll become the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - Charlotte Campus in a few years.  UNCC is a mess for so many reasons.  It needs to be changed and it will be changed once we have an administration in place with a backbone.

Right on. The best way to separate us from UNC is to make sure that we add a space between the "UNC" and the rest of our name.

I do find it funny that the most identifiable and recognized brand that we have as a university - athletically, academically, or otherwise - is the one that we refuse to use. I'm on board with the University of Charlotte as much as the next guy, but this ridiculous attempt to make a half-assed step in the right direction over the last few years has at best done nothing, and at worst been counterproductive.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!

Silly Canadian. Stop trying to win the hearts and minds from America. There is only one choice, ladies and gentlemen.

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Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 16, 2015, 05:11:31 pm
If UC is off the table (which it is) I prefer UNCC to "UNC Charlotte" or "University of North Carolina at Charlotte". But that's just me.


And to get it back on the rails.. This launch has been really strong. Great logo, and they are trying their best to make the product accessible. Kudos thus far.

I second this. If we can't change names then f*** it. Let's just go back to UNCC. That's what everyone calls it anyway. I'm sick of this BS.  Either change names or just go with it. Own it.

As far as the launch goes. Do you guys who know development and construction think it's feasible that they can really have a temporary stadium in Ramblewood in enough time to make an impact this season?  That seems possible but unlikely.

And the whole thing about widening Memorial for 2016. That just seems impossible to get approved by a government agency, get funded, and get done in one calendar year. IF they had a date for construction start RIGHT now maybe I could buy it but damn they have nothing solid. Seems like a pipe dream to me.

No.

With that attitude we'll become the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - Charlotte Campus in a few years.  UNCC is a mess for so many reasons.  It needs to be changed and it will be changed once we have an administration in place with a backbone.

Right on. The best way to separate us from UNC is to make sure that we add a space between the "UNC" and the rest of our name.

I do find it funny that the most identifiable and recognized brand that we have as a university - athletically, academically, or otherwise - is the one that we refuse to use. I'm on board with the University of Charlotte as much as the next guy, but this ridiculous attempt to make a half-assed step in the right direction over the last few years has at best done nothing, and at worst been counterproductive.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!

Silly Canadian. Stop trying to win the hearts and minds from America. There is only one choice, ladies and gentlemen.

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VAMOSUNITED

I was SO happy for that fanbase when the SSS was finally approved. That is going to be one of the best home atmospheres in MLS.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on February 16, 2015, 05:16:26 pm
clt says bayern is better.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 16, 2015, 08:19:06 pm
I think they would've been better off launching in 2016, but it appears the timetable has to be aggressive if Charlotte is to be considered for MLS expansion within the next decade. So many cities have a big head start.


If MLS goes to 30, I think there's a chance, but we may have already missed the boat.


Not too late to hop on the Toronto bandwagon, folks. If you're looking for a "this year will be different" team, look no further! Charlotte 49ers fans will be very comfortable!

30 would be unprecedented.
It would only be unprecedented in the world of pro soccer.

Obviously what I meant lol.

If they build MLS beyond 24 it wouldn't shock me to see them announce plans for MLS only pro/rel between MLS and MLS2. That could take them to 40 teams. Two 20 team tables. If they implement full revenue sharing between all 40 teams it could work and probably the only way we get pro rel in the US unless other leagues such as NASL and USL pro continue to grow.

All of that is 20/25 years away most likely. Generational shifts of fandom and fan dollars.

If the independence is successful NASL instead if MLS is always a possibility.

In regard to the team name. I'm upset that the name sucks AND they bailed on the fan naming contest.

If you check crown town soccer they are reporting that we are just days away from them announcing a temp SSS 4600 seater to be built at Ramblewood. That will be a positive step.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on February 16, 2015, 08:44:01 pm
Owners will never agree to pro/rel, and I'm kind of glad it will (probably) never happen. Pro/Rel leads to top heavy leagues where only a handful of teams can expect to win, and our professional leagues do a fairly good job of spreading championship opportunities around.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 16, 2015, 09:10:25 pm
Owners will never agree to pro/rel, and I'm kind of glad it will (probably) never happen. Pro/Rel leads to top heavy leagues where only a handful of teams can expect to win, and our professional leagues do a fairly good job of spreading championship opportunities around.

Yeah but I don't think it's the pro/rel system that causes top heavy leagues, it's the lack of a salary cap in European soccer. The rich clubs win all the time because they have all the money to buy up all the great players. I don't see how promotion and relegation has anything to do with that (La Liga in Spain is an exception, not gonna get into it here...also, I know MLB has no salary cap but baseball is unlike any other sport, even the best teams lose 1/3 of their games on average so I don't like to compare it to other team sports).

Personally, I think promotion and relegation is good for the overall infrastructure of the sport but I don't think it could ever be successfuly implemented in the US. Things are too "business-like" over here when it comes to sports. We call teams "franchises" for crying out loud!

I'm not saying that it isn't the same elsewhere but in those other places they have history and tradition to tackle up against and a governing body in UEFA that wants to keep things the way they've always been.  In fact, I think if the EPL started up from scratch today, the richest clubs would decide against pro/rel because why would you ever even want to run the risk when so much dough is at stake?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 16, 2015, 09:20:13 pm
Champions by league since 1992 (season EPL split from the Football League):

EPL - 5 different teams
NBA - 8
NFL - 14

I would also attribute one other factor, playoffs. Think about if we awarded champions like the EPL does. How many championships would the Steelers have? Or the Patriots? Or the Colts? Simply for finishing the regular season with the best record. I bet that 14 number would be cut in half.

The FA Cup or the Champions League bring that playoff/knockout format into the picture and the wealth is indeed spread out much more:

FA Cup - 7
Champions League - 13
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 17, 2015, 11:05:35 am
Have you guys heard the numbers for the revenue splits in La Liga??  Real and Barcelona get 170 million in TV revenue vs 48 for the next team and 18 for the lowest team?

How the hell did they get to this point?  Really don't understand why the rest of the league didn't just refuse to play Barcelona and Real until they get a fair split.

Can you imagine the NFL or NBA operating that way?

I agree with you guys.

US sports have a lot of advantages with the way we spread the wealth. But there is really something special about pro rel. the way I view it is that if there is any way to break the institutional lock in that's present in pro AND college sports then that's a good thing.

I don't think there is any way soccer can hit it's peak in the US without it.

Yes I know it's almost a pipe dream BUT it works around the world and soccer fans are supporters. It could work in the US.  I think fans will keep demanding it and if a group of owners or a league is savvy enough to tap into that you could see it. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on February 17, 2015, 11:22:55 am
Have you guys heard the numbers for the revenue splits in La Liga??  Real and Barcelona get 170 million in TV revenue vs 48 for the next team and 18 for the lowest team?

How the hell did they get to this point?  Really don't understand why the rest of the league didn't just refuse to play Barcelona and Real until they get a fair split.


From what I've read, the top La Liga teams negotiate their own TV deals with sponsors so that's where you get the vast differences in team TV revenue.  However, I also read that Spanish law has proposed statutes to a new sports law that could help equal the playing field.  As it stands, Atletico Mardid, winner of La Liga last season, made substantially less that even relegated EPL teams. 

 
 
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Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 17, 2015, 11:24:04 am
Have you guys heard the numbers for the revenue splits in La Liga??  Real and Barcelona get 170 million in TV revenue vs 48 for the next team and 18 for the lowest team?

How the hell did they get to this point?  Really don't understand why the rest of the league didn't just refuse to play Barcelona and Real until they get a fair split.

Can you imagine the NFL or NBA operating that way?

I agree with you guys.

US sports have a lot of advantages with the way we spread the wealth. But there is really something special about pro rel. the way I view it is that if there is any way to break the institutional lock in that's present in pro AND college sports then that's a good thing.

I don't think there is any way soccer can hit it's peak in the US without it.

Yes I know it's almost a pipe dream BUT it works around the world and soccer fans are supporters. It could work in the US.  I think fans will keep demanding it and if a group of owners or a league is savvy enough to tap into that you could see it.

Japan (J-League) and Korea (K-League)  have managed to implement it pretty successfully with their respective leagues and within the last two decades.

The J-League started in 1993 and they added a second division in 1999 and a third division in 2013.

The K-League started in 1983 and they added a second division in 2013.

All divisions are owned and operated by the same people. I think that's key if it will ever work here.

The format has led to incredible success for clubs from both countries on the international stage too. Clubs like the Pohang Steelers, Gamba Osaka, Urawa Red Diamonds and FC Seoul have all won multiple continental titles representing the J-League and the K-League.

MLS clubs get embarrassed by Mexican clubs every season in the CCL. Maybe DC United can make some noise this year...
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on February 17, 2015, 11:28:31 am
Have you guys heard the numbers for the revenue splits in La Liga??  Real and Barcelona get 170 million in TV revenue vs 48 for the next team and 18 for the lowest team?

How the hell did they get to this point?  Really don't understand why the rest of the league didn't just refuse to play Barcelona and Real until they get a fair split.

Can you imagine the NFL or NBA operating that way?

I agree with you guys.

US sports have a lot of advantages with the way we spread the wealth. But there is really something special about pro rel. the way I view it is that if there is any way to break the institutional lock in that's present in pro AND college sports then that's a good thing.

I don't think there is any way soccer can hit it's peak in the US without it.

Yes I know it's almost a pipe dream BUT it works around the world and soccer fans are supporters. It could work in the US.  I think fans will keep demanding it and if a group of owners or a league is savvy enough to tap into that you could see it.

Japan (J-League) and Korea (K-League)  have managed to implement it pretty successfully with their respective leagues and within the last two decades.

The J-League started in 1993 and they added a second division in 1999 and a third division in 2013.

The K-League started in 1983 and they added a second division in 2013.

All divisions are owned and operated by the same people. I think that's key if it will ever work here.

The format has led to incredible success for clubs from both countries on the international stage too. Clubs like the Pohang Steelers, Gamba Osaka, Urawa Red Diamonds and FC Seoul have all won multiple continental titles representing the J-League and the K-League.

MLS clubs get embarrassed by Mexican clubs every season in the CCL. Maybe DC United can make some noise this year...
How do you convince an owner paying $100 million for a franchise to buy in to relegation?


I think the league is better off without unless the entire structure changes. The reason we get embarrassed in CCL is more to due with depth and MLS teams not caring too much about it. I think we'll see an improvement in the next decade as rosters get some actual talent and depth. Starting 11 MLS sides are actually pretty good, but the benches leave much to be desired.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 17, 2015, 11:29:05 am
Have you guys heard the numbers for the revenue splits in La Liga??  Real and Barcelona get 170 million in TV revenue vs 48 for the next team and 18 for the lowest team?

How the hell did they get to this point?  Really don't understand why the rest of the league didn't just refuse to play Barcelona and Real until they get a fair split.


From what I've read, the top La Liga teams negotiate their own TV deals with sponsors so that's where you get the vast differences in team TV revenue.  However, I also read that Spanish law has proposed statutes to a new sports law that could help equal the playing field.  As it stands, Atletico Mardid, winner of La Liga last season, made substantially less that even relegated EPL teams. 

 
 
(http://soccerlens.com/files/2014/11/tXMwsfh.jpg)
(http://soccerlens.com/files/2014/11/XwJYu3Y.000.jpg)

The Champions League operates similarly when it comes to TV revenue sharing. Basically the bigger your TV market the more you get. So a club like BATE Borisov will make a fraction of what Real Madrid will make just because of the size of the cities they play in.

UEFA also hands out merit prize money as well and that is the same for every club but obviously the big clubs get better results than the minnows.

The CL is a cash cow regardless though. It doesn't matter how big or small you are. Even the smallest club will clear €20-25 million just by participating in the 6 group stage matches, and that's if they lose every single one.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 17, 2015, 11:31:30 am
Have you guys heard the numbers for the revenue splits in La Liga??  Real and Barcelona get 170 million in TV revenue vs 48 for the next team and 18 for the lowest team?

How the hell did they get to this point?  Really don't understand why the rest of the league didn't just refuse to play Barcelona and Real until they get a fair split.

Can you imagine the NFL or NBA operating that way?

I agree with you guys.

US sports have a lot of advantages with the way we spread the wealth. But there is really something special about pro rel. the way I view it is that if there is any way to break the institutional lock in that's present in pro AND college sports then that's a good thing.

I don't think there is any way soccer can hit it's peak in the US without it.

Yes I know it's almost a pipe dream BUT it works around the world and soccer fans are supporters. It could work in the US.  I think fans will keep demanding it and if a group of owners or a league is savvy enough to tap into that you could see it.

Japan (J-League) and Korea (K-League)  have managed to implement it pretty successfully with their respective leagues and within the last two decades.

The J-League started in 1993 and they added a second division in 1999 and a third division in 2013.

The K-League started in 1983 and they added a second division in 2013.

All divisions are owned and operated by the same people. I think that's key if it will ever work here.

The format has led to incredible success for clubs from both countries on the international stage too. Clubs like the Pohang Steelers, Gamba Osaka, Urawa Red Diamonds and FC Seoul have all won multiple continental titles representing the J-League and the K-League.

MLS clubs get embarrassed by Mexican clubs every season in the CCL. Maybe DC United can make some noise this year...
How do you convince an owner paying $100 million for a franchise to buy in to relegation?


I think the league is better off without unless the entire structure changes. The reason we get embarrassed in CCL is more to due with depth and MLS teams not caring too much about it. I think we'll see an improvement in the next decade as rosters get some actual talent and depth. Starting 11 MLS sides are actually pretty good, but the benches leave much to be desired.

I'm not saying it should be implemented here, there are way too many road blocks.

I don't like the argument that we don't care about the CCL and that's why we suck but I agree with you that roster deph in general is pretty awful.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 17, 2015, 01:19:04 pm
I don't think you would have that big of an issue with owners and relegation if the league is a single entity with pro rel within that structure as long as the revenue is split appropriately and they can be convinced that they are going to be getting a slice of a much bigger pie.

That's the key.  Showing that the total soccer revenue of the league could be raised by adding pro rel.

Apparently they are making that much right now. They are going to be open to new ideas.

That's all for me and pro rel. I know it's probably not going to happen but I can dream.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 18, 2015, 11:46:27 am
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on February 18, 2015, 11:53:13 am
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.
You forgot to mention the beer garden. Never leave out the beer garden.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 18, 2015, 02:43:19 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.
You forgot to mention the beer garden. Never leave out the beer garden.

Stupid me! The BEER GARDEN!

FC Dallas has a standing room only beer garden and it's amazingly fun. Beer is cheaper there than anywhere else in the stadium but you are now allowed to leave while you have a beer in your hand. Not that anyone ever wants to.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 18, 2015, 07:38:04 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 18, 2015, 09:26:31 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49RFootballNow on February 18, 2015, 09:39:12 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.

What's an SSS?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Run49er on February 18, 2015, 09:50:02 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.

What's an SSS?
Soccer-specific stadium
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49RFootballNow on February 18, 2015, 09:58:42 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.

What's an SSS?
Soccer-specific stadium

Yeah, we don't need that.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 18, 2015, 10:21:23 pm
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.

Because tracks around soccer fields suck.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on February 18, 2015, 10:44:21 pm
I think football expansion, indoor batting and halton renovation trump a sss
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 19, 2015, 12:00:39 am
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.

Because tracks around soccer fields suck.

I agree 100% and I am a huge life-long soccer fan, in fact it is my favorite sport.

Having said that, this is amateur soccer that doesn't even use the proper rules for starters. Furthermore, our program has thrived (is thriving) with the facility we have in place. Would a soccer-specific stadium make us that much more attractive to recruits? Personally I don't believe so but I can't speculate because I'm not out there receuiting kids.

How about for starters, we make the AD move that idiotic tent out of the way so it isn't blocking the view for the first 10-15 rows of the best sections in the house. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 19, 2015, 12:46:46 am
4,600 seats, lights, pressbox. Up and ready to go by mid-April. That is actually pretty damn impressive. I bet it is costing them a pretty penny.

Theyre using a Swiss company, Nussli Group, that specializes in building temporary stadiums.

This is going to be awesome. Maybe it will show our AD what am appropriately sized SSS can offer the fans.

Sell me on why you think we need an SSS on campus. I've yet to hear a compelling argument.

Because tracks around soccer fields suck.

I agree 100% and I am a huge life-long soccer fan, in fact it is my favorite sport.

Having said that, this is amateur soccer that doesn't even use the proper rules for starters. Furthermore, our program has thrived (is thriving) with the facility we have in place. Would a soccer-specific stadium make us that much more attractive to recruits? Personally I don't believe so but I can't speculate because I'm not out there receuiting kids.

How about for starters, we make the AD move that idiotic tent out of the way so it isn't blocking the view for the first 10-15 rows of the best sections in the house.

I always wondered about the tent. Stupid NCAA requirement?

I don't think a SSS is a must. But it would improve the fan experience. I think we should invest in a program that has actually been producing and bringing me enjoyment. I have gotten way more of that from soccer over the last 5 years than hoops.

It bothers me that we want to consider ourselves a top soccer program in the region but we have not put any resources behind it. Lots of schools in the region have done so with SSS but not us. I have been to some of those stadiums and the game was much more enjoyable.

Is this going to be another lost opportunity because of a lack of vision?

Will we look back in 10 years when they finally decide to build a SSS and find our best days have past.

All of this sounds familiar to me.

We have been a day late and a dollar short with so much in athletics. Seems like a chance to not let that happen again.

As far as NCAA rules not bring standard that doesn't bother me at all. I actually enjoy the rules. I enjoy the multiple substitutions because I actually like to see different match ups during the game and how the coaches adjust. I also like seeing more of the players being able to go full tilt cause they are going to get a rest.  I also enjoy the extra time and the golden goal and the strict clock. That may be blasphemy to say on a soccer board but to me it's all exciting.  It's still 11 on 11 with a ball and two goals. The rest are just tweaks to me.

Would I want pro soccer to take those rules in the US no, but I see nothing wrong with the rules as they are.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on February 24, 2015, 04:29:08 pm
Ramblewood temporary stadium for 2015 season now official: http://www.charlotteindependence.com/2015-season-ticket-pricing-benefits-announced/

Also, the Independence will play the Niners in a pre-season friendly at Transamerica: http://www.charlotteindependence.com/2015-preseason-schedule-announced/

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Do you guys follow/watch the Champions League?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on February 24, 2015, 05:58:54 pm
Ramblewood temporary stadium for 2015 season now official: http://www.charlotteindependence.com/2015-season-ticket-pricing-benefits-announced/

Also, the Independence will play the Niners in a pre-season friendly at Transamerica: http://www.charlotteindependence.com/2015-preseason-schedule-announced/

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Do you guys follow/watch the Champions League?

Awesome about the SSS for the independence. Put down my deposit on tickets today.

Yes to champions league but haven't been able to follow closely this year due to lack of free time.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on March 12, 2015, 02:08:20 pm
Get your tickets now.  Presale code GC15 


http://www.ticketmaster.com/concacaf-gold-cup-charlotte-north-carolina-07-15-2015/event/0E004E62DD8AA855?artistid=960349&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=11


Cuba vs. Quatemala at 6pm and El Tri at 8:30 against Trinidad and Tobago



Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 05, 2015, 07:40:55 pm
Went to the Chelsea vs Stoke game last night at Stamford Bridge. Awesome game. Awesome atmosphere. I was really impressed with the quality in the field, the audio system, the organization and getting in and out of the stadium.

I was shocked though how antiquated the stadium is compared to NFL stadiums. It pales in comparison to Panthers stadium. Of course that is to be expected it is like 120 years old.

I can see why they want a new stadium bad though. They can't maximize revenue with that facility. No way.

Fans were well behaved. Walked all around the stadium before and after. Was in the middle of a HUGE crowd going to the tube station afterwards. Everyone was chilled out and having a good time.

FYI they don't allow alcohol in the stands. You have to drink your beer out in the concourse.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 05, 2015, 08:02:06 pm
Oh and Eden Hazard was the stand out player. I knew he was good but seeing him in person and being able to objectively compare him to the other players. WOW. His ball control and overall skill was clearly on a level above the rest of the players on the field. Willian also stood out but Hazard was incredible.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 05, 2015, 09:59:15 pm
Went to the Chelsea vs Stoke game last night at Stamford Bridge. Awesome game. Awesome atmosphere. I was really impressed with the quality in the field, the audio system, the organization and getting in and out of the stadium.

I was shocked though how antiquated the stadium is compared to NFL stadiums. It pales in comparison to Panthers stadium. Of course that is to be expected it is like 120 years old.

I can see why they want a new stadium bad though. They can't maximize revenue with that facility. No way.

Fans were well behaved. Walked all around the stadium before and after. Was in the middle of a HUGE crowd going to the tube station afterwards. Everyone was chilled out and having a good time.

FYI they don't allow alcohol in the stands. You have to drink your beer out in the concourse.
Wait. You got to see this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025886/Is-greatest-goal-Stoke-midfielder-Charlie-Adam-scores-66-YARD-screamer-inside-half-Premier-League-match-against-Chelsea.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


LIVE?!


Consider yourself extremely lucky, that's an incredible goal. I agree with your statements on Hazard as well, really enjoyable player to watch.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 06, 2015, 03:30:15 am
Yes I saw it. Honestly wasn't as impressed as everyone seems to be. This kind of goal gets tried a few times every year and usually they kick it long or the keeper has it covered easily. I view this as more of a fluke and goal keeper error than an awesome goal. I never once thought "wow what a great strike". I immediately thought "the keeper screwed up". 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on April 06, 2015, 04:13:33 am
Yes I saw it. Honestly wasn't as impressed as everyone seems to be. This kind of goal gets tried a few times every year and usually they kick it long or the keeper has it covered easily. I view this as more of a fluke and goal keeper error than an awesome goal. I never once thought "wow what a great strike". I immediately thought "the keeper screwed up".
The accuracy and awareness is impressive. 66 yards is a long ways.


Just secured my tickets to Fulham vs. Norwich at Carrow Rd in May. Hope to see something just as exciting.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on April 06, 2015, 11:59:12 am
The overall experience will be awesome I'm sure. Especially since Norwich is challenging for promotion and Fulham is fighting relegation. Could be a critical game for both.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on May 02, 2015, 01:36:23 pm
This game sort of snuck up on me. Clt Independence plays Louisville tonight at Transamerica. 7PM
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49RFootballNow on May 27, 2015, 01:44:08 pm
Koskinen Stadium for their home opener at Duke hosting UNC Charlotte August 21st at 7 p.m. (http://balldurham.com/2015/05/27/duke-releases-2015-mens-soccer-schedule/)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 27, 2015, 01:58:12 pm
Over a dozen FIFA officials and related execs got arrested today as part of a US DOJ investigation.


Could be interesting to follow and see if one of them gives up dirt on Blatter. The whole organization needs to be cleansed.


If this doesn't work out, it could be a century before the US is even talked about as a host, though. We'll be black balled from most important decisions.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on May 27, 2015, 02:19:46 pm
Espn says that all 209 countries get an equal share of each World Cup.  You'd think it would be waited to the 32 qualifiers on a pro-rate portion of how they performed.  No incentive for Masarret, Andorra, or Luxembourg to try to even qualify.
It's like 351 NCAA B-Ball teams equally sharing March Madness money instead of the 68 in the tourney based on how they did.  Why would you ever pay to improve your team if you were an AD at school #351?  Just hire a Coach that will take minimum wage, even if he's an ex-McDonald's burger flipper.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: PresentNiner on May 27, 2015, 02:24:05 pm
I suppose that when the Transfer Window will open is when BPL legends, Steve Gerrard, and Frank Lampard arrive. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on May 27, 2015, 05:44:32 pm
Koskinen Stadium for their home opener at Duke hosting UNC Charlotte August 21st at 7 p.m. (http://balldurham.com/2015/05/27/duke-releases-2015-mens-soccer-schedule/)
That's an attractive road game.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Run49er on May 27, 2015, 06:59:55 pm
Over a dozen FIFA officials and related execs got arrested today as part of a US DOJ investigation.


Could be interesting to follow and see if one of them gives up dirt on Blatter. The whole organization needs to be cleansed.


If this doesn't work out, it could be a century before the US is even talked about as a host, though. We'll be black balled from most important decisions.


Gotta think (hope) MaFIFA prez Blatter too will fall before this is all over.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving group. 
 
ESPNFC.com: U.S. Department of Justice alleges FIFA corruption over past 24 years (http://www.espnfc.com/world-cup-soccer/story/2468775/fifa-corrupt-over-24-years-says-us-department-of-justice)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on May 28, 2015, 09:08:23 am
Over a dozen FIFA officials and related execs got arrested today as part of a US DOJ investigation.


Could be interesting to follow and see if one of them gives up dirt on Blatter. The whole organization needs to be cleansed.


If this doesn't work out, it could be a century before the US is even talked about as a host, though. We'll be black balled from most important decisions.


Gotta think (hope) MaFIFA prez Blatter too will fall before this is all over.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving group. 
 
ESPNFC.com: U.S. Department of Justice alleges FIFA corruption over past 24 years (http://www.espnfc.com/world-cup-soccer/story/2468775/fifa-corrupt-over-24-years-says-us-department-of-justice)

I'd like to think one of the those already caught will eventually rat on Blatter. At least that's what I imagine the DOJ is looking for. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on May 28, 2015, 09:16:56 am
Oh yea...


ON THE BALL CITY!!!!!!!!!!


(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11181497_862198653853444_7965981865677755529_n.jpg?oh=4d4e22db338cc2b6da7915d0963644e2&oe=55C2A9E7)


Back in the Premier League, baby!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on May 28, 2015, 01:23:12 pm
Over a dozen FIFA officials and related execs got arrested today as part of a US DOJ investigation.


Could be interesting to follow and see if one of them gives up dirt on Blatter. The whole organization needs to be cleansed.


If this doesn't work out, it could be a century before the US is even talked about as a host, though. We'll be black balled from most important decisions.


Gotta think (hope) MaFIFA prez Blatter too will fall before this is all over.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving group. 
 
ESPNFC.com: U.S. Department of Justice alleges FIFA corruption over past 24 years (http://www.espnfc.com/world-cup-soccer/story/2468775/fifa-corrupt-over-24-years-says-us-department-of-justice)

I'd like to think one of the those already caught will eventually rat on Blatter. At least that's what I imagine the DOJ is looking for.

I would guess it will be fairly easy to get a lot of these pampered fat cats  to roll over. Time in US prison is not that apealling.   

My greatest wish is that smug f*** Blatter gets his come uppance and they take the World Cup away from Qatar.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on June 18, 2015, 12:15:48 pm
Charlotte Independence is the only surviving non-MLS team in Lamar Hunt US Open after beating NE Revolution.


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/other-sports/article24831994.html (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/other-sports/article24831994.html)


http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/06/18/us-open-cup-new-england-revolution-say-lack-chemistry-was-downfall-loss-char
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: chasmo101 on June 18, 2015, 12:32:25 pm
Koskinen Stadium for their home opener at Duke hosting UNC Charlotte August 21st at 7 p.m. (http://balldurham.com/2015/05/27/duke-releases-2015-mens-soccer-schedule/)
That's an attractive road game.

Thanks for sharing.

Nice!!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on June 18, 2015, 12:46:50 pm
Charlotte Independence is the only surviving non-MLS team in Lamar Hunt US Open after beating NE Revolution.


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/other-sports/article24831994.html (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/other-sports/article24831994.html)


http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/06/18/us-open-cup-new-england-revolution-say-lack-chemistry-was-downfall-loss-char (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/06/18/us-open-cup-new-england-revolution-say-lack-chemistry-was-downfall-loss-char)
Also Donnie Smith's first start for the Revs. Shame it had to be a loss.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on July 15, 2015, 11:38:34 pm
Anybody else go to the Mexico game tonight?  That was pretty insane. I appreciate the Mexico fans passion for their team but they got a little out of hand. Throwing stuff at the players is too much. Lots of bottles, cups and beer thrown in the crowd.

Also their "put@" chant is ridiculous. Not to mention that word was literally screamed hundreds of times by their fans all around us.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 16, 2015, 12:42:46 am
Anybody else go to the Mexico game tonight?  That was pretty insane. I appreciate the Mexico fans passion for their team but they got a little out of hand. Throwing stuff at the players is too much. Lots of bottles, cups and beer thrown in the crowd.

Also their "put@" chant is ridiculous. Not to mention that word was literally screamed hundreds of times by their fans all around us.


Mexican fans are the most passionate soccer fans in North America and the Carribean but they are also the most obnoxious.  Despite that, I leave a Mexican soccer match talking to more strangers than any other sporting event.  Mexican fans should have been devastated after seeing T&T come back after 2-0 and 4-3 but they were still singing and shouting "Mexico" down the ramps.  There is a high % of jerks in the crowd but they live and breathe futbol.

Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on July 16, 2015, 08:31:21 am
Anybody else go to the Mexico game tonight?  That was pretty insane. I appreciate the Mexico fans passion for their team but they got a little out of hand. Throwing stuff at the players is too much. Lots of bottles, cups and beer thrown in the crowd.

Also their "put@" chant is ridiculous. Not to mention that word was literally screamed hundreds of times by their fans all around us.


Mexican fans are the most passionate soccer fans in North America and the Carribean but they are also the most obnoxious.  Despite that, I leave a Mexican soccer match talking to more strangers than any other sporting event.  Mexican fans should have been devastated after seeing T&T come back after 2-0 and 4-3 but they were still singing and shouting "Mexico" down the ramps.  There is a high % of jerks in the crowd but they live and breathe futbol.

You know if I had to pick a poster who would defend a shitty profane violent and disrespectful fan base I would have picked you. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 16, 2015, 09:22:43 am
Anybody else go to the Mexico game tonight?  That was pretty insane. I appreciate the Mexico fans passion for their team but they got a little out of hand. Throwing stuff at the players is too much. Lots of bottles, cups and beer thrown in the crowd.

Also their "put@" chant is ridiculous. Not to mention that word was literally screamed hundreds of times by their fans all around us.


Mexican fans are the most passionate soccer fans in North America and the Carribean but they are also the most obnoxious.  Despite that, I leave a Mexican soccer match talking to more strangers than any other sporting event.  Mexican fans should have been devastated after seeing T&T come back after 2-0 and 4-3 but they were still singing and shouting "Mexico" down the ramps.  There is a high % of jerks in the crowd but they live and breathe futbol.

You know if I had to pick a poster who would defend a shitty profane violent and disrespectful fan base I would have picked you.

Defending? Mexicans have the most obnoxious fans and the most friendly. I call it like it is. If I had to pick a poster who would stereotype an entire fan base it would be you.  I was there and enjoyed the overall experience. Didn't see any violent fans but a lot of beer and cups being tossed.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on July 16, 2015, 09:39:12 am
Anybody else go to the Mexico game tonight?  That was pretty insane. I appreciate the Mexico fans passion for their team but they got a little out of hand. Throwing stuff at the players is too much. Lots of bottles, cups and beer thrown in the crowd.

Also their "put@" chant is ridiculous. Not to mention that word was literally screamed hundreds of times by their fans all around us.


Mexican fans are the most passionate soccer fans in North America and the Carribean but they are also the most obnoxious.  Despite that, I leave a Mexican soccer match talking to more strangers than any other sporting event.  Mexican fans should have been devastated after seeing T&T come back after 2-0 and 4-3 but they were still singing and shouting "Mexico" down the ramps.  There is a high % of jerks in the crowd but they live and breathe futbol.

You know if I had to pick a poster who would defend a shitty profane violent and disrespectful fan base I would have picked you.

Defending? Mexicans have the most obnoxious fans and the most friendly. I call it like it is. If I had to pick a poster who would stereotype an entire fan base it would be you.  I was there and enjoyed the overall experience. Didn't see any violent fans but a lot of beer and cups being tossed.

I classify throwing things as violent.  I didn't go because I've seen how many Mexican fans act.  No way would I have taken my 4 year old into that environment.  Landon Donovan got cups of Piss thrown at him in LA.  If that makes me stereotype their fan base at games so be it. I know some Mexican fans that I've watched games on tv with and they are fine but I'm not going to a game where a large number of their fans will be there in person.  No thanks.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on July 16, 2015, 10:58:10 am
I'm pretty sure you also don't want your 4 year old asking, "Daddy, what's a Put@?"
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on July 16, 2015, 12:31:14 pm
Wow. Didn't mean to start a war here.

I enjoyed the game overall but it got a bit out of hand.

Don't mind the beer throwing and cups all that much in the stadium but I can see if you have little kids they could be scared.

I will say this. A great many Mexico fans in our area left when all the throwing of beer and bottles started. Most of them had kids. And they looked very unhappy with the behavior. They seemed to be a small minority of the Mexico fans unfortunately.

The biggest issue I have is the pelting of players with ANY object from the stands. That is pure BS.

They started doing it at the end of the game too. When they knew it was too late to go to the effort of throwing them out.

There were a couple of fans thrown out by the cops in the section next to ours. Looked like two groups of Mexico fans going at each other and one guy crossed the line I guess. The cop had to come into the row and pull him out. Luckily the guy went with the cop without resisting. His buddy was pulling at the cops arm for a few seconds and I thought it was going to seriously go south but he backed off. It was an ugly scene though. Lots of taunting and hand gestures of a negative nature by a bunch of people.

I cannot believe the coach from Mexico went out and was bitching at the ref. just ridiculous. I have no idea what he could have been complaining about.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 16, 2015, 12:58:49 pm
Wow. Didn't mean to start a war here.

I enjoyed the game overall but it got a bit out of hand.

Don't mind the beer throwing and cups all that much in the stadium but I can see if you have little kids they could be scared.

I will say this. A great many Mexico fans in our area left when all the throwing of beer and bottles started. Most of them had kids. And they looked very unhappy with the behavior. They seemed to be a small minority of the Mexico fans unfortunately.

The biggest issue I have is the pelting of players with ANY object from the stands. That is pure BS.

They started doing it at the end of the game too. When they knew it was too late to go to the effort of throwing them out.

There were a couple of fans thrown out by the cops in the section next to ours. Looked like two groups of Mexico fans going at each other and one guy crossed the line I guess. The cop had to come into the row and pull him out. Luckily the guy went with the cop without resisting. His buddy was pulling at the cops arm for a few seconds and I thought it was going to seriously go south but he backed off. It was an ugly scene though. Lots of taunting and hand gestures of a negative nature by a bunch of people.

I cannot believe the coach from Mexico went out and was bitching at the ref. just ridiculous. I have no idea what he could have been complaining about.


NWA is a little extra sensitive to anything I post on NNN so don't feel like you started a "war". 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on July 16, 2015, 07:31:14 pm
clt asks why is puma a bad word? They have quality products.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on July 17, 2015, 12:04:55 am
Wow. Didn't mean to start a war here.

I enjoyed the game overall but it got a bit out of hand.

Don't mind the beer throwing and cups all that much in the stadium but I can see if you have little kids they could be scared.

I will say this. A great many Mexico fans in our area left when all the throwing of beer and bottles started. Most of them had kids. And they looked very unhappy with the behavior. They seemed to be a small minority of the Mexico fans unfortunately.

The biggest issue I have is the pelting of players with ANY object from the stands. That is pure BS.

They started doing it at the end of the game too. When they knew it was too late to go to the effort of throwing them out.

There were a couple of fans thrown out by the cops in the section next to ours. Looked like two groups of Mexico fans going at each other and one guy crossed the line I guess. The cop had to come into the row and pull him out. Luckily the guy went with the cop without resisting. His buddy was pulling at the cops arm for a few seconds and I thought it was going to seriously go south but he backed off. It was an ugly scene though. Lots of taunting and hand gestures of a negative nature by a bunch of people.

I cannot believe the coach from Mexico went out and was bitching at the ref. just ridiculous. I have no idea what he could have been complaining about.


NWA is a little extra sensitive to anything I post on NNN so don't feel like you started a "war".

Nope just find it odd you typically jump to defend some odd sides.  The Observer, Mexico probably would defend Chapel Hill and Bin Laden if given the chance.  Just odd.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 17, 2015, 09:49:18 am
Wow. Didn't mean to start a war here.

I enjoyed the game overall but it got a bit out of hand.

Don't mind the beer throwing and cups all that much in the stadium but I can see if you have little kids they could be scared.

I will say this. A great many Mexico fans in our area left when all the throwing of beer and bottles started. Most of them had kids. And they looked very unhappy with the behavior. They seemed to be a small minority of the Mexico fans unfortunately.

The biggest issue I have is the pelting of players with ANY object from the stands. That is pure BS.

They started doing it at the end of the game too. When they knew it was too late to go to the effort of throwing them out.

There were a couple of fans thrown out by the cops in the section next to ours. Looked like two groups of Mexico fans going at each other and one guy crossed the line I guess. The cop had to come into the row and pull him out. Luckily the guy went with the cop without resisting. His buddy was pulling at the cops arm for a few seconds and I thought it was going to seriously go south but he backed off. It was an ugly scene though. Lots of taunting and hand gestures of a negative nature by a bunch of people.

I cannot believe the coach from Mexico went out and was bitching at the ref. just ridiculous. I have no idea what he could have been complaining about.


NWA is a little extra sensitive to anything I post on NNN so don't feel like you started a "war".

Nope just find it odd you typically jump to defend some odd sides.  The Observer, Mexico probably would defend Chapel Hill and Bin Laden if given the chance.  Just odd.


You just read what you want to read.  Saying the Mexican side is obnoxious and has a high % of jerks isn't exactly defending them.  I do enjoy going to see them play and enjoy the crowds despite the bad behavior many fans exhibit.  Tailgating at a Mexican soccer match is some of the best ever and their fans are no doubt the friendliest I've met at any sporting event.  Some see the glass half full and some see it as half empty.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 17, 2015, 09:57:46 am
Some guys see a certain poster as half full of sh't and others see him as completely full and it ain't NWA I'm talking about here.


He'll probably reply because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to my posts and is extra sensitive to them.  :D
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 17, 2015, 10:19:46 am
Some guys see a certain poster as half full of sh't and others see him as completely full and it ain't NWA I'm talking about here.


He'll probably reply because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to my posts and is extra sensitive to them.  :D


Not really.  Your posts do increasingly corroborate the notion that you are a small man with a chip on your shoulder.  I'm sure there are a few posters who find your personal attacks against me amusing but I think the majority of the board has better things to do then read your nonsense. 


Message boards should be fun and if you continue to be obsessed by a poster and jump into threads they are involved in without meaningful discussion or debate then you probably need to reevaluate your purpose on the planet.  Seriously, get a job or a hobby.  In your attempts to disparage me you are only embarrassing yourself. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49r9r on July 17, 2015, 11:36:49 am
NWA is a little extra sensitive to anything I post on NNN....

Some guys see a certain poster as half full of sh't and others see him as completely full and it ain't NWA I'm talking about here.


He'll probably reply because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to my posts and is extra sensitive to them.  :D

Not really.  Your posts do increasingly corroborate the notion that you are a small man with a chip on your shoulder. 

Some of you are having too much fun.  My turn.

THE OBSERVER SUCKS!!!

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 17, 2015, 11:48:38 am
You guys are the worst.


Thoughts on the Gold Cup overall? No team really seems that impressive, the games are kind of ugly to watch.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 17, 2015, 12:13:03 pm
Group play was not good. There's more parity, but a lot of teams just play rough/dirty, and the overall play was not up to other confederations' standards.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 17, 2015, 12:28:14 pm
Group play was not good. There's more parity, but a lot of teams just play rough/dirty, and the overall play was not up to other confederations' standards.


CONCACAF is a long way of from UEFA and CONMEBOL.  I actually think they need to add a 4th Group and eliminate 3rd place teams.  To have 8 of 12 teams advance out of group play makes it less meaningful.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 17, 2015, 12:56:15 pm
Some guys see a certain poster as half full of sh't and others see him as completely full and it ain't NWA I'm talking about here.


He'll probably reply because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to my posts and is extra sensitive to them.  :D


Not really.  Your posts do increasingly corroborate the notion that you are a small man with a chip on your shoulder.  I'm sure there are a few posters who find your personal attacks against me amusing but I think the majority of the board has better things to do then read your nonsense. 


Message boards should be fun and if you continue to be obsessed by a poster and jump into threads they are involved in without meaningful discussion or debate then you probably need to reevaluate your purpose on the planet.  Seriously, get a job or a hobby.  In your attempts to disparage me you are only embarrassing yourself.
See there? He's obsessed!  ;D
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 17, 2015, 02:00:43 pm
Group play was not good. There's more parity, but a lot of teams just play rough/dirty, and the overall play was not up to other confederations' standards.


CONCACAF is a long way of from UEFA and CONMEBOL.  I actually think they need to add a 4th Group and eliminate 3rd place teams.  To have 8 of 12 teams advance out of group play makes it less meaningful.
It's not just the play. The officiating is poor as well.


Biggest disappointment overall has to be Canada. Not able to score a single goal.


Larin's the real deal, but man did he ever choke...
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49r9r on July 17, 2015, 09:19:09 pm
Some guys see a certain poster as half full of sh't and others see him as completely full and it ain't NWA I'm talking about here.


He'll probably reply because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to my posts and is extra sensitive to them.  :D


Not really.  Your posts do increasingly corroborate the notion that you are a small man with a chip on your shoulder.  I'm sure there are a few posters who find your personal attacks against me amusing but I think the majority of the board has better things to do then read your nonsense. 


Message boards should be fun and if you continue to be obsessed by a poster and jump into threads they are involved in without meaningful discussion or debate then you probably need to reevaluate your purpose on the planet.  Seriously, get a job or a hobby.  In your attempts to disparage me you are only embarrassing yourself.
See there? He's obsessed!  ;D

Sure, he's obsessed, but you guys need to stay on topic.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 17, 2015, 11:27:12 pm
Some guys see a certain poster as half full of sh't and others see him as completely full and it ain't NWA I'm talking about here.


He'll probably reply because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to my posts and is extra sensitive to them.  :D


Not really.  Your posts do increasingly corroborate the notion that you are a small man with a chip on your shoulder.  I'm sure there are a few posters who find your personal attacks against me amusing but I think the majority of the board has better things to do then read your nonsense. 


Message boards should be fun and if you continue to be obsessed by a poster and jump into threads they are involved in without meaningful discussion or debate then you probably need to reevaluate your purpose on the planet.  Seriously, get a job or a hobby.  In your attempts to disparage me you are only embarrassing yourself.
See there? He's obsessed!  ;D

Sure, he's obsessed, but you guys need to stay on topic.
Thanks, I need to be reminded often.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 19, 2015, 09:01:06 am
Since a few posters hyperventilate every time I post or express a comment  here's Tom Sorenson's comment on the Gold Cup games in Charlotte from his column today.

"I loved them. Most fun I've ever had watching soccer. The fans were gracious and great. "

Great game yesterday and glad the U.S. matched Mexico's scoring against Cuba. I think moving the captain's armband from Dempsey to Bradley was a good move. Not sure if that motivated Clint at all but he's on fire and Bradley is still playing at the top of his game.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 19, 2015, 02:26:21 pm
Since a few posters hyperventilate every time I post or express a comment  here's Tom Sorenson's comment on the Gold Cup games in Charlotte from his column today.

"I loved them. Most fun I've ever had watching soccer. The fans were gracious and great. "

Great game yesterday and glad the U.S. matched Mexico's scoring against Cuba. I think moving the captain's armband from Dempsey to Bradley was a good move. Not sure if that motivated Clint at all but he's on fire and Bradley is still playing at the top of his game.
Sixty thousand fans there. I'm happy for Tom the ones around him were gracious and sorry for you that the ones around you had a high percentage of jerks.
Guess his glass is half full.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 20, 2015, 09:06:37 am
Sooo... Was it a penalty?


http://streamable.com/3t1n


Have to think Costa Rica got shafted, hard.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on July 20, 2015, 11:02:35 am
Sooo... Was it a penalty?


http://streamable.com/3t1n (http://streamable.com/3t1n)


Have to think Costa Rica got shafted, hard.


Appears that CONCACAF really wants Mexico in the final. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 20, 2015, 12:15:45 pm
Sooo... Was it a penalty?


http://streamable.com/3t1n (http://streamable.com/3t1n)


Have to think Costa Rica got shafted, hard.


Definitely not a penalty.  Contact was a brush.  El Tri outplayed Costa Rica but still required in assist from the referee to get the winning goal.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NLP on July 20, 2015, 03:23:43 pm
Not only was it not a penalty, Peralta should have been sent off for that ridiculous challenge and not even on the pitch for that awful call.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 20, 2015, 03:37:24 pm
Mexico should be better than this, right? They just don't seem like a very good team, lots of good pieces though.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on July 20, 2015, 04:01:32 pm
Mexico should be better than this, right? They just don't seem like a very good team, lots of good pieces though.


Struggling defensively and missing Chicharito.  Having said that, I ain't shedding any tears. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on July 20, 2015, 10:19:41 pm
Mexico should be better than this, right? They just don't seem like a very good team, lots of good pieces though.

Mexico just isn't that good. People think they are but they aren't. U.S. Is like 13-4-5 against them in the last decade.

They haven't done any better than we have in the World Cup lately.

And they barely made it to the World Cup last time. We had to rescue them by beating panama in a meaningless  game for us.

I think people think they should be good because they have a soccer first culture but their not.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49er1 on July 21, 2015, 09:15:36 am
Mexico should be better than this, right? They just don't seem like a very good team, lots of good pieces though.

Mexico just isn't that good. People think they are but they aren't. U.S. Is like 13-4-5 against them in the last decade.

They haven't done any better than we have in the World Cup lately.

And they barely made it to the World Cup last time. We had to rescue them by beating panama in a meaningless  game for us.

I think people think they should be good because they have a soccer first culture but their not.

They have a huge, visible, vocal, rabid fan base which sometimes gives the impression that their team is better than it is. Kinda like the chicago cubs and dallas cowboys.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: casstommy on July 21, 2015, 10:25:04 am
Mexico should be better than this, right? They just don't seem like a very good team, lots of good pieces though.


I've thought this for years.  And this is the tail end of their self proclaimed "golden age".  Nice pieces here and there but not much more than that. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 21, 2015, 10:44:44 am
Mexico should be better than this, right? They just don't seem like a very good team, lots of good pieces though.


I've thought this for years.  And this is the tail end of their self proclaimed "golden age".  Nice pieces here and there but not much more than that.
They could be dangerous if someone found a way to put the right pieces together.


As much as I dislike them, it's a shame that this "golden" generation is coming to an end without too much to show for it. Imagine if San Zusi hadn't given them such a gift...
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 23, 2015, 09:28:44 am
Made the proclamation that US soccer had arrived after the phenomenal friendly tour of Europe last month.  Gold Cup definitely proved me wrong.  Lackluster and sloppy effort against Jamaica. 


Hoping Jamaica can continue their solid run as Mexico doesn't deserve a Gold Cup title either. Really wondering if this tourney is taking seriously by either US or Mexico.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on July 23, 2015, 09:39:24 am
So how many players & coachers are getting fired for this sh*t?  Fing Jamaica?  They're just a bunch of pot head Rastas.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on July 23, 2015, 09:50:13 am
So how many players & coachers are getting fired for this sh*t?  Fing Jamaica?  They're just a bunch of pot head Rastas.


Jamaica is actually a decent team.  I watched them play in the Copa America against teams such as Argentina.  Yes, they lost, but only 1-0 and gave all those teams good games.  I had a feeling this one would end the way it did and after all that flurry of attack by the US in the first have that resulted in no goal it just seemed like it wasn't going to be the US's day.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on July 23, 2015, 09:57:48 am
So how many players & coachers are getting fired for this sh*t?  Fing Jamaica?  They're just a bunch of pot head Rastas.


Jamaica is actually a decent team.  I watched them play in the Copa America against teams such as Argentina.  Yes, they lost, but only 1-0 and gave all those teams good games.  I had a feeling this one would end the way it did and after all that flurry of attack by the US in the first have that resulted in no goal it just seemed like it wasn't going to be the US's day.
I was really impressed with Jamaica, playing in Copa definitely prepared them for this tourney.


Still think the US should have won, but the attack was disjointed and we didn't convert our chances when given. Really could've used a healthy Jozy Altidore to push around the Jamaican defenders, Johannson and Dempsey could not find the space to create.


Guzan had to put in one of his more forgettable appearances the same day Howard announces he's ready to come back. Never trust an Aston Villa man.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on July 24, 2015, 01:34:34 am
The penalty that Mexico was given at the end of regulation was one of the worst penalties I have ever seen. I wouldn't have blamed panama if they had walked off the field.

What's the point of the smaller nations playing if they are just going to gift Mexico to the final.

That's TWO games in a row that they were gifted penalties in the dying minutes.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 24, 2015, 08:57:06 am
The penalty that Mexico was given at the end of regulation was one of the worst penalties I have ever seen. I wouldn't have blamed panama if they had walked off the field.

What's the point of the smaller nations playing if they are just going to gift Mexico to the final.

That's TWO games in a row that they were gifted penalties in the dying minutes.
Wonder if "EL CHAPO" is in control ???
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on July 24, 2015, 10:13:00 am
The penalty that Mexico was given at the end of regulation was one of the worst penalties I have ever seen. I wouldn't have blamed panama if they had walked off the field.

What's the point of the smaller nations playing if they are just going to gift Mexico to the final.

That's TWO games in a row that they were gifted penalties in the dying minutes.
Agreed. They have been getting every big call. The first penalty is probably the worst penalty I've ever seen called. I'm not even 100% sure that the ball touched his arm at all, but even if it barely grazed it, to adjudge that he gained an advantage from it and that it wasn't inadvertent is just too blatant to ignore. But that wasn't even the only big call that was awful. The straight red card for the high arm, which is usually just a normal foul, maybe a yellow in some cases, was a complete joke too, and that happened in the 25th minute! The fact that Mexico still needed another gift really says something for how little they deserved this game. The 2nd penalty was at least justifiable, but they haven't called that in some other games so it's still a favorable call.

This Gold Cup for Concacaf is really about ensuring that 1) the final isn't something like Panama-Jamaica, 2) the playoff game for the confederations cup happens, which earns Concacaf a lot more money, so the US couldn't win the gold cup (not that they played well enough to win anyway), and 3) that Mexico is the team that plays in that game, so that it definitely sells out. The referee was clearly instructed to help Mexico win, and he did everything in his power to make sure that happened.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on July 24, 2015, 10:23:06 am
By the way, on that 2nd penalty, replays suggested that the Mexican player was offside, so they didn't really deserve that penalty either.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on July 26, 2015, 04:58:39 pm
Not that interested in the Gold Cup final  since the US is out.  I did watch the NYCFC vs Orlando City FC match today though.  Entertaining 5-3 NYC victory with Pirlo making his MLS debut.  This match marked the first MLS match ever where 3 World Cup winners were on the same field. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: CharSFNiners on July 26, 2015, 07:09:45 pm
Appears Drogba will sign with Montreal.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 26, 2015, 07:56:05 pm
The penalty that Mexico was given at the end of regulation was one of the worst penalties I have ever seen. I wouldn't have blamed panama if they had walked off the field.

What's the point of the smaller nations playing if they are just going to gift Mexico to the final.

That's TWO games in a row that they were gifted penalties in the dying minutes.
Agreed. They have been getting every big call. The first penalty is probably the worst penalty I've ever seen called. I'm not even 100% sure that the ball touched his arm at all, but even if it barely grazed it, to adjudge that he gained an advantage from it and that it wasn't inadvertent is just too blatant to ignore. But that wasn't even the only big call that was awful. The straight red card for the high arm, which is usually just a normal foul, maybe a yellow in some cases, was a complete joke too, and that happened in the 25th minute! The fact that Mexico still needed another gift really says something for how little they deserved this game. The 2nd penalty was at least justifiable, but they haven't called that in some other games so it's still a favorable call.

This Gold Cup for Concacaf is really about ensuring that 1) the final isn't something like Panama-Jamaica, 2) the playoff game for the confederations cup happens, which earns Concacaf a lot more money, so the US couldn't win the gold cup (not that they played well enough to win anyway), and 3) that Mexico is the team that plays in that game, so that it definitely sells out. The referee was clearly instructed to help Mexico win, and he did everything in his power to make sure that happened.


Conspiracy at the CONCACAF level would be tough to make happen as there are too many competing interests at the top.  FIFA referees have been know to take $ in the past so it's not unimaginable that one or more could be on the take.  Of course just bad officiating is not too unrealistic either but both Panama and Costa Rica have asked CONCACAF to look into officiating irregularities in their games with Mexico.


US loss to Panama quite embarrassing.  Can't believe this team just knocked off three European powers including Germany.  They need to right this ship for World Cup Qualifying.  Fourth Place in CONCACAF will play Fifth place from Asia to qualify for Russia and based on the Gold Cup we certainly don't look like a top 3 team.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 26, 2015, 09:17:14 pm
Boy, howdy.  The glass-half-empty crowd sure is down on the USA team based on one game.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 26, 2015, 09:26:39 pm
Boy, howdy.  The glass-half-empty crowd sure is down on the USA team based on one game.


One game?  This was an entire tournament and the U.S. didn't bring their A game.  Any thoughts on the tourney or is it your obsession with me that brought you here today?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on July 26, 2015, 09:32:57 pm
Conspiracy at the CONCACAF level would be tough to make happen as there are too many competing interests at the top.  FIFA referees have been know to take $ in the past so it's not unimaginable that one or more could be on the take.  Of course just bad officiating is not too unrealistic either but both Panama and Costa Rica have asked CONCACAF to look into officiating irregularities in their games with Mexico.
I'm not sure it would be all that hard, given how easily the corruption has occurred in CONCACAF in the past. I bet competing interests would align very quickly if there were cash gifts involved, something that happened many times before for other decisions.

Even so, I would bet they could handle it with one or two people in a phone call or some other communication to the referees in terms of how they expect calls to be slanted else you won't be refereeing future matches, much like it has been done in the NBA in the past (somehow the refs come to understand who the people in charge want to win and have acted accordingly).
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 26, 2015, 09:52:27 pm
Boy, howdy.  The glass-half-empty crowd sure is down on the USA team based on one game.


One game?  This was an entire tournament and the U.S. didn't bring their A game.  Any thoughts on the tourney or is it your obsession with me that brought you here today?
USA 6 Cuba 0.   


Nobody mentioned you, Mr " I-am-the-center-of-the-universe" .
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 26, 2015, 09:54:07 pm
The US side was a trainwreck in those last two games. Poor showing at the Gold Cup. Beating up on a terrible Cuban side is not impressive.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 4ever niner on July 26, 2015, 09:57:50 pm
The US side was a trainwreck in those last two games. Poor showing at the Gold Cup. Beating up on a terrible Cuban side is not impressive.
I'm discounting the third place game. Nobody wants to play that game.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on July 26, 2015, 10:33:19 pm
The US will now have to beat El Tri for a spot in the 2017 Confederations Cup. It's a one off playoff game.

According to CBS Sports, the match will take place in the United States on October 9, 2015.

Need to get our crap straight by then. We didn't qualify for the last one. Last time we went was 2009, when we were beating Brazil 2-0 in the final, but lost 3-2.

Then a month later, we start WC qualifying.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Gassman on July 27, 2015, 12:21:29 am
Wish that game was in Charlotte.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 27, 2015, 10:11:54 am
Wish that game was in Charlotte.


Rose Bowl, 92k seating
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on July 27, 2015, 01:57:54 pm
I get 3rd place game sucks, BUT Bronze is better than nothing.  We definitely stepped in a turd.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49er1 on July 27, 2015, 04:05:12 pm
I get 3rd place game sucks, BUT Bronze is better than nothing.  We definitely stepped in a turd.

We WERE the turd.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ninermike on July 29, 2015, 11:30:45 pm
Mexico fans have to be elated.  Win the Gold Cup and Herrera gets fired.


I don't watch much MLS but have been entertained by the All Star game the last two years.  Nick Rimando looked really good tonight.  Shows you how good US goalkeeping is when he's going to be #3 starter soon with Howard coming back. 


Question of the day:  Is the MLS All Star team better or US team?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on July 30, 2015, 08:23:15 am
Slight edge to the MLS.  Nine or so MLS All-Stars are on the US team.  Villa, Kaka, and Giovinco are the difference. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on July 30, 2015, 11:47:06 am
Who are the prominent players in Europe or Mexico right now?  That would help compare the MLS all-stars to USMNT, given the overlap of common players.

I can think of Howard, Guzan, and Yedlin in English soccer. Who else?

A few years ago,most of the best U.S. players played in Europe, but MLS keeps signing prominent USMNT players to play here. Not sure if that's a good thing or not. I like to see MLS do well, but I also like to see USMNT players competing in tougher leagues.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on July 30, 2015, 01:46:32 pm
Chandler...haha I kid.

Fabian Johnson, Aron Johannsson, Julian Green, John Brooks...and apparently Chandler plays well for his club but not for his country. 

http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on July 30, 2015, 03:37:20 pm
Chandler...haha I kid.

Fabian Johnson, Aron Johannsson, Julian Green, John Brooks...and apparently Chandler plays well for his club but not for his country. 

http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad (http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/usmnt-players-abroad)


I read that Julian Green will stay with Bayern this season but play for the U23's and not first team. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: stonecoldken on July 31, 2015, 10:46:47 am
We should have had the Women play in the Concacaf Gold Cup.  They could have done better than 4th.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on October 05, 2015, 02:26:12 pm
Big match this Saturday night on FS1 - USA vs Mexico playoff (@ the Rose Bowl) for a single spot in the 2017 Confederations Cup (in Russia).  http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/

CONCACAF was allocating tix for an even crowd (no home field advantage): http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/08/27/usa-mexico-rose-bowl-ticket-allocation-concacaf-confederations-cup

The USA had this in the bag - if they had won the Gold Cup this summer, they'd already be in the tournament. Instead, they now have to beat Mexico to ensure their place.

We missed the last one. I'd really like to see us make this field, especially with the youth movement Klinsmann is pushing. Would be fantastic experience for the next World Cup.

Rosters are set: http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/03/usa-roster-mexico-concacaf-cup-playoff-confederations

This is a bye week for the Panthers and the Niners, so this just moved up to first position for my sports weekend.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on October 05, 2015, 03:13:53 pm
Big match this Saturday night on FS1 - USA vs Mexico playoff (@ the Rose Bowl) for a single spot in the 2017 Confederations Cup (in Russia).  http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/ (http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/)

CONCACAF was allocating tix for an even crowd (no home field advantage): http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/08/27/usa-mexico-rose-bowl-ticket-allocation-concacaf-confederations-cup (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/08/27/usa-mexico-rose-bowl-ticket-allocation-concacaf-confederations-cup)

The USA had this in the bag - if they had won the Gold Cup this summer, they'd already be in the tournament. Instead, they now have to beat Mexico to ensure their place.

We missed the last one. I'd really like to see us make this field, especially with the youth movement Klinsmann is pushing. Would be fantastic experience for the next World Cup.

Rosters are set: http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/03/usa-roster-mexico-concacaf-cup-playoff-confederations (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/03/usa-roster-mexico-concacaf-cup-playoff-confederations)

This is a bye week for the Panthers and the Niners, so this just moved up to first position for my sports weekend.


Thanks for the reminder. I have a feeling US supporters will be in the minority for this match though. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on October 05, 2015, 10:31:35 pm
Big match this Saturday night on FS1 - USA vs Mexico playoff (@ the Rose Bowl) for a single spot in the 2017 Confederations Cup (in Russia).  http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/ (http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/)

CONCACAF was allocating tix for an even crowd (no home field advantage): http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/08/27/usa-mexico-rose-bowl-ticket-allocation-concacaf-confederations-cup (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/08/27/usa-mexico-rose-bowl-ticket-allocation-concacaf-confederations-cup)

The USA had this in the bag - if they had won the Gold Cup this summer, they'd already be in the tournament. Instead, they now have to beat Mexico to ensure their place.

We missed the last one. I'd really like to see us make this field, especially with the youth movement Klinsmann is pushing. Would be fantastic experience for the next World Cup.

Rosters are set: http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/03/usa-roster-mexico-concacaf-cup-playoff-confederations (http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/10/03/usa-roster-mexico-concacaf-cup-playoff-confederations)

This is a bye week for the Panthers and the Niners, so this just moved up to first position for my sports weekend.


Thanks for the reminder. I have a feeling US supporters will be in the minority for this match though.


clt dice si.




Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on October 09, 2015, 06:56:27 pm
Bump 25 hours til kick.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on October 09, 2015, 08:33:38 pm
Must win game
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on November 06, 2016, 08:22:25 pm
World Cup qualifier vs Mexico Friday 11th vs Mexico.

Roster:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwnKizEWgAAfsFi.jpg)

Some notable absences, including Dempsey and Casstommy's favorite.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: akjones989 on November 06, 2016, 09:30:20 pm
World Cup qualifier vs Mexico Friday 11th vs Mexico.

Roster:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwnKizEWgAAfsFi.jpg)

Some notable absences, including Dempsey and Casstommy's favorite.


It's weird not seeing Dempsey on the roster. Those heart problems that have sidelined him for the last bit of the MLS season may be career ending. I hope not.....
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on November 07, 2016, 06:22:48 am
clt says pulisic is the real deal.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on January 05, 2017, 02:05:15 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1bV_KaUAAId6kD.jpg)

Lala's says that Arena was told to forget development, etc for now... Just qualify. Leads to some interesting roster changes.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NLP on January 05, 2017, 02:45:25 pm
What a shock, Arena favoring MLS players.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on January 05, 2017, 03:27:00 pm
clty says the MLS should play at the rich. 50M is too much for a small stadium
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Nugget on January 06, 2017, 09:29:11 am
clty says the MLS should play at the rich. 50M is too much for a small stadium

I know almost nothing about soccer, but would the artificial turf with its permanent marking be a problem for soccer?  Don't they use a different size field...er, pitch?
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: cltniners on January 06, 2017, 11:55:48 am
clty says the MLS should play at the rich. 50M is too much for a small stadium

I know almost nothing about soccer, but would the artificial turf with its permanent marking be a problem for soccer?  Don't they use a different size field...er, pitch?

clt says both fields are rectangular. problem solved.

we can plant grass on the artificial turf, then remove it when needed.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Hal Jordan on January 06, 2017, 09:50:57 pm
clty says the MLS should play at the rich. 50M is too much for a small stadium

I know almost nothing about soccer, but would the artificial turf with its permanent marking be a problem for soccer?  Don't they use a different size field...er, pitch?

A soccer field tends to be wider than a football field. Players mention that the ball also moves faster and bounces higher when they play on turf compared to grass. And that there is a higher risk of injury.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: J Feet on January 07, 2017, 07:26:09 am
What a shock, Arena favoring MLS players.
This is the January camp, and is not during an official international break. Thus, most Euro clubs are opting not to release players. MLS is in the offseason.


Jan camp has always been MLS heavy with an occasional fringe Euro player sprinkled in. No way Brooks, Johnson, Wood, etc. are left off the qualifying roster.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on June 25, 2017, 05:48:57 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDLumfVVwAAdkms?format=jpg&name=small)

Not that excited about that roster. I assume it's because our best have other commitments.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: SteauA on June 26, 2017, 01:46:37 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDLumfVVwAAdkms?format=jpg&name=small)

Not that excited about that roster. I assume it's because our best have other commitments.


It is not abnormal for the US to take a B-squad to the Gold Cup.  Lest we forget the 2013 edition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup) where we won it all and Chris Wondowski scored 5 goals...


Yes, Donovan was also on that roster, but he was coming off of a six month sabbatical. The rest of the roster was a solid B-squad, just like this one.


Mexico will also take a B-squad to the Gold Cup since they have the A-squad participating in the Confederations Cup in Russia right now.


That group doesn't look sexy but there is a lot of experience within the selected defenders.  Smart move by Arena imo to focus on experience there and youth/inexperience elsewhere.  It's definitely a good enough roster to win the crap shoot second rate tournament that is the Gold Cup.


No point in calling in the top guys as they are either in the midst of their MLS seasons or getting read to start pre-season training with their European club teams.


PS: I'll be in Nashville for the match against Panama on 7/8/17!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on October 06, 2017, 09:02:16 am
(https://i2.wp.com/media2.giphy.com/media/3o6MbpRAt4d2UopIaI/giphy.gif)

GAMEDAY!! #Get3

USA vs Panama

World Cup Qualifiers Fifth round
today, 7:35 PM
Orlando City Stadium, Orlando, Florida
TV: ESPN2 and Univision Deportes

Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on October 06, 2017, 09:25:17 am
Watched the Argentina/Peru match last night.  Hard to believe Argentina may not qualify.  Will be watching the US match tonight with friends. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 9erken on October 06, 2017, 03:00:48 pm
Just about a must win game.  I do wonder how hard Mexico and Costa Rica will play against our competitors for the last spot, Panama (plays Costa Rica Tues.) and Honduras (vs. CR Friday, Mex. Tues.), given they've already or essentially already qualified. The USA gifted Mexico a spot last time at the expense of Panama, so hopefully they play their best. But USMNT needs to assume that won't happen and play with the kind of intensity that will get them 2 wins.

This team has played really poorly for a while now, but hopefully we can squeeze into that 3rd place spot, and then it really won't matter. By the time the World Cup comes around, we may be seeing some new / improved players emerge to make the team more competitive in Russia.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ghostofclt on October 06, 2017, 03:16:25 pm
clt will be wataching baseball like an American.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on October 06, 2017, 06:57:21 pm
Must win game.  I'll go with a 2-0 win. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on October 07, 2017, 12:43:26 pm
Must win game.  I'll go with a 2-0 win.


How about 4-0?  Great match!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: austinniner on October 07, 2017, 02:41:39 pm
Must win game.  I'll go with a 2-0 win.


How about 4-0?  Great match!


I enjoyed it a lot more than our match.  Was watching both
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ghostofclt on October 07, 2017, 10:38:01 pm
clt says spoiler alert!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on October 08, 2017, 01:36:46 pm
Must win game.  I'll go with a 2-0 win.


How about 4-0?  Great match!

Great effort.  Messi wishes he was half as good as Pulisic.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ghostofclt on October 10, 2017, 10:34:40 pm
clt is selling his WC tickets now.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerAdvocate on October 11, 2017, 07:40:35 am
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/usmnt-doesnt-need-better-athletes-win-world-cup-060526124.html

Excellent article by Dan Wetzel.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NovaNiner on October 11, 2017, 08:23:19 am
Not much to say about that game. Horrible. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: hootie on October 11, 2017, 08:37:05 am
as Charlie Harper said on 2 1/2 Men, the 10 seconds it takes to put on a condom beats the hell out of the 10 years you have to pretend to like soccer but even I think this is embarrassing...
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on October 11, 2017, 08:41:33 am
Well, that was sh!t.


Anyway,  Vamos Peru Carajo!!!
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: Jackrabbit49er on October 11, 2017, 08:45:09 am
I have always thought rooting for USMNT is much like being a Cubs fan from 1908 until 2016. Last night just cemented that more for me.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: 49r9r on October 11, 2017, 08:46:33 am
Thus far, MLB has had some good post season playoff games.

Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: jfickett on October 11, 2017, 08:47:36 am
The substitute Red, White, and Blue side that I will be supporting come WC18:


(https://ak9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/2661299/thumb/1.jpg?i10c=img.resize(height:160))
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on October 11, 2017, 09:13:16 am
I'm rooting for Peru.  Peru has to beat New Zealand in a playoff to qualify though.  It will be the first time in like 35 years Peru will qualify if they win.  Most of ya'll know my wife is Peruvian and that entire nation is going bonkers.  The govt and private employers both let all Peruvians off work yesterday at 4pm just to watch the match. 


Having said that, if Peru does not qualify I'm going for Argentina and Spain.  Would love to see Messi finally get a WC. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ghostofclt on October 11, 2017, 10:15:21 am
clt is pulling for die mannschaft to repeat.
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on December 01, 2017, 01:12:45 pm
2018 World Cup Draw just announced.  How much do you think Putin paid for Russia's draw?

Group A: Russia, Uraguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia


Group B: Portugal, Spain, Iran, Morocco


Group C: France, Peru, Denmark, Australia,


Group D: Argentina, Croatia, Iceland, Nigeria


Group E: Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia


Group F: Germany, Mexico, Sweeden, South Korea


Group G: Belgium, England, Tunisia, Panahma


Group H: Poland, Colombia, Senegal, Japan
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: NinerWupAss on December 01, 2017, 01:14:22 pm
2018 World Cup Draw just announced.  How much do you think Putin paid for Russia's draw?

Group A: Russia, Uraguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia


Group B: Portugal, Spain, Iran, Morocco


Group C: France, Peru, Denmark, Australia,


Group D: Argentina, Croatia, Iceland, Nigeria


Group E: Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia


Group F: Germany, Mexico, Sweeden, South Korea


Group G: Belgium, England, Tunisia, Panahma


Group H: Poland, Colombia, Senegal, Japan


What is this World Cup event you speak of?   :-[ >:( ::)
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: VA49er on December 01, 2017, 01:20:31 pm
2018 World Cup Draw just announced. 

What is this World Cup event you speak of?   :-[ >:( ::)


Yeah, I know.  However, still planning to watch since Peru (wife) finally made it after nearly 40 years.  Sucks the US isn't there though.  Watching previous world cups is what got me hooked on soccer. 
Title: Re: Soccer/Futbol (Football) thread
Post by: ghostofclt on December 01, 2017, 02:22:58 pm
clt says Die Mannshaft gonna roll.