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Title: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Nugget on January 11, 2018, 10:22:17 pm
I couldn't let this game slide by without a postgame thread so it would be noted that Jon Davis is back!  38 points--a career high and a Halton Arena record.  If he had gotten some help off the bench we might have won this game.  Supica and McGill both had 0 points.  That will not get it done.  Where is Vasic?
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Threemire09 on January 11, 2018, 10:27:58 pm
Didnt dress(vasic) JD was unstoppable besides a few off balanced fading away 3s
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Nugget on January 11, 2018, 10:31:14 pm
Didnt dress(vasic) JD was unstoppable besides a few off balanced fading away 3s
Is he injured, or grAIDS, or did he get caught smoking with Mayfield behind the gym?  We could have used him tonight.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: NinerWupAss on January 11, 2018, 10:56:52 pm
This team is broken.  I have no idea what happened, but my daughter and I were in the tunnel watching them come out.  There was no fire, no energy, no urgency.  This is a team going through the motions. 
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Wingate49erFan on January 11, 2018, 11:09:35 pm
We still suck. But at least Davis dropped buckets!
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: moss2k on January 11, 2018, 11:42:16 pm
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: tasheets on January 11, 2018, 11:50:03 pm
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.

Garvin should NEVER be allowed dribble the ball!
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: MEGRNiner on January 12, 2018, 12:01:33 am
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.

Garvin should NEVER be allowed dribble the ball!
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with NWA.   We are broken [offensively] and we cannot play defense - at all.   Marshall was NOT more talented than us tonight.

Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Savio on January 12, 2018, 12:38:50 am
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.

Garvin should NEVER be allowed dribble the ball!




modern day Butter Johnson?
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: 73niner on January 12, 2018, 01:03:07 am
  Two things, solid defense, and ball movement. Can any coach in the country get this out of these kids?  One on one ( in our case one on three) never works except for the elite athletes and the NBA. Last time I checked we are neither.  Our offense consists of attempted penetration where you dribble into trouble then and only then try to find a free man to receive a pass. Everybody has to be moving. Anybody can guard someone standing still.  Damit move, set initial picks and secondary picks simultaneously while never stopping.  Just watch some of the better ball movement teams in college or the NBA.  We have talent but a low basketball IQ which makes me pessimistic with this group.  It's a sad state of affairs trying to see which players we can blame.  Right now I'd keep the Serbs, Murphy, and an  under control Davis to go to battle with while trading all the others for almost anybody.  Being repetitive "it's a sad state of affairs".   
   It's funny how well they play defense when they are on a roll and motivated.  They get aggressive, jump into passing lanes, and generally cause havoc.  Problem is they're hardly ever on a roll.  The potential is there but I'm afraid we'll never see it with this collective group.  I hope they somehow prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ninerfan55 on January 12, 2018, 04:59:38 am
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.

Garvin should NEVER be allowed dribble the ball!




modern day Butter Johnson?


butter had great handles. one of his best attributes. shooting on the other hand...
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ImfromClayton on January 12, 2018, 05:50:19 am
Jon Davis was Jon Davis again. Heís really fun to watch when he does that.

Haslem played well.

Andrien and supica struggled. Waiting to put it all together.

Interesting to see Bryant Thomas get a few minutes.

Idk if you guys heard Coach Fancher post game, but Iím starting to really like that guy. Heís honest as the day is long, and has a fighterís mentality. Idk what his role is moving forward, but Iíd love to see him stay involved with this program, especially if the Ad hire is late.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: 4ever niner on January 12, 2018, 06:30:28 am
JD scored 38 against an awful defensive team without its shot blocker. We had six or seven assists for the game. Relying on one guy will not cut the mustard, but it ain't like we have that many choices. It was a very, very high level YMCA game.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Dowless on January 12, 2018, 06:30:45 am
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ghostofclt on January 12, 2018, 07:51:21 am
clt says Fancher needs a moustache.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ninerJ on January 12, 2018, 07:56:19 am
  Two things, solid defense, and ball movement. Can any coach in the country get this out of these kids?  One on one ( in our case one on three) never works except for the elite athletes and the NBA. Last time I checked we are neither.  Our offense consists of attempted penetration where you dribble into trouble then and only then try to find a free man to receive a pass. Everybody has to be moving. Anybody can guard someone standing still.  Damit move, set initial picks and secondary picks simultaneously while never stopping.  Just watch some of the better ball movement teams in college or the NBA.  We have talent but a low basketball IQ which makes me pessimistic with this group.  It's a sad state of affairs trying to see which players we can blame.  Right now I'd keep the Serbs, Murphy, and an  under control Davis to go to battle with while trading all the others for almost anybody.  Being repetitive "it's a sad state of affairs".   
   It's funny how well they play defense when they are on a roll and motivated.  They get aggressive, jump into passing lanes, and generally cause havoc.  Problem is they're hardly ever on a roll.  The potential is there but I'm afraid we'll never see it with this collective group.  I hope they somehow prove me wrong.

I couldn't agree more !
The "stand around" offense we've run for years in ridiculous !  I know Fancher hasn't had much time to correct alot of issues, but these guys have been playing basketball long enough to know how the game should be played !    You watch well coached teams like Marshall or Davidson and they have constant motion, with purpose, and everyone knows where to be and when, and its enjoyable.
And could someone please send Austin Ajukwa to classes on game nights.......he's totally useless on the court !
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: metro on January 12, 2018, 08:22:39 am
  Two things, solid defense, and ball movement. Can any coach in the country get this out of these kids?  One on one ( in our case one on three) never works except for the elite athletes and the NBA. Last time I checked we are neither.  Our offense consists of attempted penetration where you dribble into trouble then and only then try to find a free man to receive a pass. Everybody has to be moving. Anybody can guard someone standing still.  Damit move, set initial picks and secondary picks simultaneously while never stopping.  Just watch some of the better ball movement teams in college or the NBA.  We have talent but a low basketball IQ which makes me pessimistic with this group.  It's a sad state of affairs trying to see which players we can blame.  Right now I'd keep the Serbs, Murphy, and an  under control Davis to go to battle with while trading all the others for almost anybody.  Being repetitive "it's a sad state of affairs".   
   It's funny how well they play defense when they are on a roll and motivated.  They get aggressive, jump into passing lanes, and generally cause havoc.  Problem is they're hardly ever on a roll.  The potential is there but I'm afraid we'll never see it with this collective group.  I hope they somehow prove me wrong.

Hard to play defense with no athletes.  Ive said before, our team photo looks like a ymca picture.  It's why Fancher says post game there is no margin of error. 

We have 10 kids who's best other offer was Charleston Southern or Campbell.

Price and Lambert have alot in common.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: 73niner on January 12, 2018, 09:13:28 am
  Two things, solid defense, and ball movement. Can any coach in the country get this out of these kids?  One on one ( in our case one on three) never works except for the elite athletes and the NBA. Last time I checked we are neither.  Our offense consists of attempted penetration where you dribble into trouble then and only then try to find a free man to receive a pass. Everybody has to be moving. Anybody can guard someone standing still.  Damit move, set initial picks and secondary picks simultaneously while never stopping.  Just watch some of the better ball movement teams in college or the NBA.  We have talent but a low basketball IQ which makes me pessimistic with this group.  It's a sad state of affairs trying to see which players we can blame.  Right now I'd keep the Serbs, Murphy, and an  under control Davis to go to battle with while trading all the others for almost anybody.  Being repetitive "it's a sad state of affairs".   
   It's funny how well they play defense when they are on a roll and motivated.  They get aggressive, jump into passing lanes, and generally cause havoc.  Problem is they're hardly ever on a roll.  The potential is there but I'm afraid we'll never see it with this collective group.  I hope they somehow prove me wrong.

Hard to play defense with no athletes.  Ive said before, our team photo looks like a ymca picture.  It's why Fancher says post game there is no margin of error. 

We have 10 kids who's best other offer was Charleston Southern or Campbell.

Price and Lambert have alot in common.
       How are you defining athletes? From a team photo?  Haslem is 6'10 260.  Milos 6'9" and IMO moves well.  We have athletes, they're just not basketball smart.  The question, can they be coached up on the mental aspect of the game? I don't know.  A lot of basketball IQ is instinct which we appear to have very little.  If Fancher can turn this around, not only should he be retained but be given some kind of bonus.  (Having Simovic back with a pipeline to Euro players IMO is essential).
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: 73niner on January 12, 2018, 09:15:41 am
    By the way, does anybody have the scope on Vasic?
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: metro on January 12, 2018, 09:16:38 am
We don't have athletes. 

Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: moss2k on January 12, 2018, 09:29:22 am
Vasic didn't dress again, I'm guessing lingering injury.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ninerJ on January 12, 2018, 09:43:41 am
Vasic didn't dress again, I'm guessing lingering injury.

Has Luka played in few enough games to qualify for a medical redshirt if this lingers ?
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ghostofclt on January 12, 2018, 09:47:53 am
http://queensathletics.com/news/2018/1/9/queens-mens-basketball-ranked-no-1-in-nation.aspx
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: 49r9r on January 12, 2018, 09:51:42 am
http://queensathletics.com/news/2018/1/9/queens-mens-basketball-ranked-no-1-in-nation.aspx

I do not want to play them right now.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Teamarete on January 12, 2018, 10:05:27 am
http://queensathletics.com/news/2018/1/9/queens-mens-basketball-ranked-no-1-in-nation.aspx

As I said in another thread, I wouldn't mind seeing Bart Lundy involved in the program in some way down the road.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: moss2k on January 12, 2018, 11:06:03 am
Lundy could make sense as a AHC. Not sure he'd be up for that though, Queens is rocking and rolling right now and I could see a LM to possibly a MM giving him a look as HC.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: upperdeck on January 12, 2018, 11:35:14 am
Vasic didn't dress again, I'm guessing lingering injury.


Rolled ankle in practice. I think this was the second time in two weeks.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Ninerfan2012 on January 12, 2018, 11:44:04 am
This was the first time Iíve seen a Fancher team play an entire game.

It always amazes me how much our talent level has dropped off from the Major years.

Weíre just not good sadly, canít do much of anything well besides watch Jon Davis.

The next coach is going to have a complete rebuild, because outside of Davis, none of these guys should be starting on a NCAA level team.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: tasheets on January 12, 2018, 01:55:58 pm
  Two things, solid defense, and ball movement. Can any coach in the country get this out of these kids?  One on one ( in our case one on three) never works except for the elite athletes and the NBA. Last time I checked we are neither.  Our offense consists of attempted penetration where you dribble into trouble then and only then try to find a free man to receive a pass. Everybody has to be moving. Anybody can guard someone standing still.  Damit move, set initial picks and secondary picks simultaneously while never stopping.  Just watch some of the better ball movement teams in college or the NBA.  We have talent but a low basketball IQ which makes me pessimistic with this group.  It's a sad state of affairs trying to see which players we can blame.  Right now I'd keep the Serbs, Murphy, and an  under control Davis to go to battle with while trading all the others for almost anybody.  Being repetitive "it's a sad state of affairs".   
   It's funny how well they play defense when they are on a roll and motivated.  They get aggressive, jump into passing lanes, and generally cause havoc.  Problem is they're hardly ever on a roll.  The potential is there but I'm afraid we'll never see it with this collective group.  I hope they somehow prove me wrong.

We need someone to teach some basics. The spacing on the 2 on 1 fast break was awful. They were like 5ft apart. Garvin should have given the ball up to White. Then White back to garvin. Seems like everyone is to selfish!
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: tasheets on January 12, 2018, 01:59:13 pm
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.

Garvin should NEVER be allowed dribble the ball!




modern day Butter Johnson?

I never thought Butter was THAT bad but now that I look back at his stats his TPG was higher than his APG.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: metro on January 12, 2018, 02:06:51 pm
Glad to see the old JD we know is in there bust free.  Fancher had a very interesting comment tonight about the restrictions being off of him (JD) in regards to FGA/game.

Turnovers doomed us. Many of those in the careless variety. So frustrating to see things in our control, remain uncontrollable.

Garvin should NEVER be allowed dribble the ball!




modern day Butter Johnson?

I never thought Butter was THAT bad but now that I look back at his stats his TPG was higher than his APG.
Butter Johnson crosser was as good as Tim Hardaway plus 6-8".   Problem is be traveled every time  :))
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Dowless on January 12, 2018, 08:11:56 pm
On a bright note we are only two games back from where we were at this time last season.  Still an opportunity to improve upon last year's record.
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: Chisox17 on January 13, 2018, 01:29:59 pm
Butter Johnson almost had a triple double one time vs USF. Problem was one of the categories was turnovers  :eek:
Title: Re: Marshall Postgame
Post by: ninerrbl on January 13, 2018, 03:49:27 pm
Jon Davis was very good but he had to dribble his way into shots. Not enough
ball movement to create shots. I know we have discussion  this before but
I think for this team Davis would be better at the 2 guard. Niners had the ball
late down 5 and Garvin had the ball trying to get the team in the offense. Davis
didn't come get the ball.


White has some Cam Newton in him. White is fired up, lets go team when he is
playing well. But when he is not playing well, he doesn't give max effort.


Ajukwa is struggling big time.