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Reply #50 on: January 19, 2006, 06:37:56 pm
Checkmate.


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Reply #51 on: January 19, 2006, 07:32:04 pm
That's game I believe. Let's not do OT. I hope the mods would close this thread. Just because OT is for the bird . . . cage.:hammer:
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Reply #52 on: January 19, 2006, 09:04:10 pm
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That's game I believe. Let's not do OT. I hope the mods would close this thread. Just because OT is for the bird . . . cage.:hammer:


Does anybody actually believe Mike Persinger will actually conceed to any point made on here?  Can't wait to see his next spin job with this one.  He will probably just ignore HP's post like he ignores half of the questions here on the "questions answered" thread.


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Reply #53 on: January 19, 2006, 09:32:34 pm
thanks hp.  i believe mike p is busted again.  perhaps they don't make you take any math classes at the chapel hill school of journalism because i count more than 2 articles.

by the way mike.  over40 got you too.  an occasional sentence about eddie does not qualify as an article.  examples of articles are the stories on those tarhole players.  we have never seen one on eddie.

mike was correct about one thing.  i just checked creative loafing and their niner coverage is not quite as good as the observer's.
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persinger (when discussing tarholes):  "we will do a big pre-game story on the upcoming tarhole game"

persinger (when discussing 49ers):  "we never do pre-game articles on any game.  it is not our job to inform the public about the local teams."


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Reply #54 on: January 20, 2006, 10:37:20 am
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49ers elevate league.


Thanks for the link.  Silly me, this puts to rest an assumption that I was starting to think.  Given the coverage in the Charlotte Observer, I was actually wondering if Coach Lutz did not talk with the press or let his players speak to the press.

I guess this story puts that to rest......I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE CINCINNATI POST TO PROVIDE CHARLOTTE 49ERS STORIES LIKE THIS.  The 49ers deserve a story like this in the Observer (I could care less who wrote it).


I know I'll be told I'm wrong....but the bottom line is, the Charlotte 49ers mens basketball deserves as much space as the Charlotte Bobcats.


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Reply #55 on: January 20, 2006, 11:03:55 am
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Xavier pre-game press, etc. , NinerNation.net


Post: Rebounding still high on Miller's list, 1/12

Enquirer: Thornton's the fast-break man, 1/13

Enquirer: Withers just one obstacle for XU, 1/13

Post: Muskies confident when they hit road, 1/13

Enquirer: XU hopes for new rivalry, 1/14

Enquirer: Charlotte an opportunity for XU, 1/14

Enquirer: A-10: Progress made in RPI, 1/14

Post: Xavier vs. Charlotte, 1/14

Post: Charlotte turnaround bad news for Muskies, 1/14

Blog: Xavier vs. Curtis Withers, 1/12

Blog: The pick, 1/14

Blog: Xavier postgame, 78-65 W at Charlotte, 1/14

Several blogs not included, and from yesterday a great story in the Cincinnati Post...
49ers elevate league.


You list 12 items in a three-day span from two newspapers, or two items per paper per day.  We had 10 items in a five-day span in the same timeframe, not counting the story Jan. 11 about how the transfers are fitting in well.



Jan. 18: 49ers pull away from St. Joseph's

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13650074.htm

Jan. 18: Jim Utter's observations

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13650066.htm

Jan. 18: Drayton applies for medical hardship (breaking news)

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13655461.htm

Jan. 17: Rest a luxury 49ers aren't getting

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13642154.htm

Jan. 17: Utter looks ahead to GW

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13642155.htm

Jan. 16: This week in sports looks ahead to GW, mentions  game a week out

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13635927.htm

Jan. 15: Xavier puts muscle in win against 49ers

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13630555.htm

Jan . 15: Jim Utter's Observations

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13630539.htm

Jan. 14: Inside  the Atlantic 10

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13624597.htm

Jan. 14: Gameday capsule

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13624666.htm
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Reply #56 on: January 20, 2006, 11:09:59 am
you guys love to beat a dead horse don't ya?


just let it go.....


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Reply #57 on: January 20, 2006, 11:11:23 am
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He will probably just ignore HP's post like he ignores half of the questions here on the "questions answered" thread.


No, I didn't ignore HP. There are some posts on here with no real questions in them, and I didn't respond to them. If there's a question you feel I haven't answered, please point it out and I'll do so.
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Reply #58 on: January 20, 2006, 11:21:14 am
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You list 12 items in a three-day span from two newspapers, or two items per paper per day.  We had 10 items in a five-day


Mike, you have once again twisted someone's statement.

HP was referring to the pre-game coverage for the Xavier game, as was my original question.   You are talking about post-game coverage provided for 2 games, along with info about other stuff.

Here's the point of the argument one more time.  It seems every other paper in the country provides pre-game coverage for major local teams (yes, we are a major local team) except the Observer.  Instead, they provide pre-game coverage for a certain team (which happens to be the sports editor's alma mater) located over 100 miles away.  It's part of the promotional services rendered.
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Reply #59 on: January 20, 2006, 11:34:05 am
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Mike, you have once again twisted someone's statement.

HP was referring to the pre-game coverage for the Xavier game, as was my original question.   You are talking about post-game coverage provided for 2 games, along with info about other stuff.

Here's the point of the argument one more time.  It seems every other paper in the country provides pre-game coverage for major local teams (yes, we are a major local team) except the Observer.  Instead, they provide pre-game coverage for a certain team (which happens to be the sports editor's alma mater) located over 100 miles away.  It's part of the promotional services rendered.


Your interpretation is your business. And I believe our pre-game coverage is right for this market and what's possible, given all the schools we have to cover. We generally don't write straight game previews on college games, but do features on occasion about all our teams, and run those features on game days. As with anything, you can disagree with my philosophy. Making a good enough argument to change it, though, would be another matter.
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Reply #60 on: January 20, 2006, 01:56:45 pm
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Thanks for the link.  Silly me, this puts to rest an assumption that I was starting to think.  Given the coverage in the Charlotte Observer, I was actually wondering if Coach Lutz did not talk with the press or let his players speak to the press.

I guess this story puts that to rest......I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE CINCINNATI POST TO PROVIDE CHARLOTTE 49ERS STORIES LIKE THIS.  The 49ers deserve a story like this in the Observer (I could care less who wrote it).


I know I'll be told I'm wrong....but the bottom line is, the Charlotte 49ers mens basketball deserves as much space as the Charlotte Bobcats.

In order to receive a response please rephrase your last sentence in the form of a question.
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Reply #61 on: January 20, 2006, 02:11:50 pm
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In order to receive a response please rephrase your last sentence in the form of a question.


I'll save you the trouble. The Bobcats play 82 games, the Niners play 27. There's no way the ink will be comparable. And if you want to compare interest, they sell more than twice the tickets at much higher prices.
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Reply #62 on: January 20, 2006, 02:18:12 pm
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I'll save you the trouble. The Bobcats play 82 games, the Niners play 27. There's no way the ink will be comparable. And if you want to compare interest, they sell more than twice the tickets at much higher prices.

That means equal per-game coverage would give the Bobcats 3x the ink.  Do we receive equal per-game coverage?
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Reply #63 on: January 20, 2006, 02:22:54 pm
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That means equal per-game coverage would give the Bobcats 3x the ink.  Do we receive equal per-game coverage?


Game stories are roughly 16 inches on both the Bobcats and the Niners. We do Observations on both. Columnists more often do Bobcats. There's more news concerning the Bobcats because of injuries, etc., because of the higher number of games.
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Reply #64 on: January 20, 2006, 02:24:15 pm
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In order to receive a response please rephrase your last sentence in the form of a question.


let's try these 3 questions since mike is beating around the bush again.

1) why is the observer the ONLY paper in the world that refuses to do pre-game articles on the major hometown team?  

2) does it have anything to do with the fact that the sports editor can't stand the major hometown team?

3) or does the sports editor have other "interests"?  because as has been noted the sports editor does not mind doing articles on other teams.
ninermike:  "LakeNorman49er= Get your misquote of me out of your signature line. "

persinger (when discussing tarholes):  "we will do a big pre-game story on the upcoming tarhole game"

persinger (when discussing 49ers):  "we never do pre-game articles on any game.  it is not our job to inform the public about the local teams."


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Reply #65 on: January 20, 2006, 02:27:50 pm
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That means equal per-game coverage would give the Bobcats 3x the ink.  Do we receive equal per-game coverage?



I'll take a shot at this one...........they use the same amount of ink on a per game basis.  

The amount of "Niners ink" (in the daily circulation) equals the amount of "Bobcats ink" (in each single copy of the circulation).


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Reply #66 on: January 20, 2006, 02:32:10 pm
The observations are my favorite....like this gem...

"Charlotte players Jerell Jamison and Courtney Williams saw increased play, which should help their development."

Wow...thats a good observation.....heres a couple I have had

1. Making more shots than the other team increases the chances of victory.

2. Rebounding is an important factor in every basketball game.

3. Turnovers tend to have negative effects on a basketball team.

4. Sex Panther by Odion.....60 percent of the time...it works every time.


I need a column too!!!!!


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Reply #67 on: January 20, 2006, 02:32:58 pm
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let's try these 3 questions since mike is beating around the bush again.

1) why is the observer the ONLY paper in the world that refuses to do pre-game articles on the major hometown team?  

2) does it have anything to do with the fact that the sports editor can't stand the major hometown team?

3) or does the sports editor have other "interests"? because as has been noted the sports editor does not mind doing articles on other teams.

I'll give ya #1 but there is no basis and never has been to support #2 and #3. Regarding #2, I'm guessing Mike spends far more time interacting with Niner fans than he does any other college basketball fanbase. And despite less than stellar coverage, Mike has never come across as a Niner-basher. He's not a "fan" either but that's not his job. #3 would only make sense if the Observer never ran Niner stories and only covered the ACC, exclusively. We're also only one regional team that warrants local interest. So we're competing for coverage with not only UNC, but also N.C. State, Wake Forest, Duke and to an extent, Clemson.  Not to mention Davidson, Winthrop, JC Smith, Queens, etc.
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Reply #68 on: January 20, 2006, 02:33:33 pm
you guys are wasting your time.  these questions can be better answered by directly contacting knight ridder.
ninermike:  "LakeNorman49er= Get your misquote of me out of your signature line. "

persinger (when discussing tarholes):  "we will do a big pre-game story on the upcoming tarhole game"

persinger (when discussing 49ers):  "we never do pre-game articles on any game.  it is not our job to inform the public about the local teams."


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Reply #69 on: January 20, 2006, 02:36:25 pm
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You list 12 items in a three-day span from two newspapers, or two items per paper per day.  We had 10 items in a five-day span in the same timeframe, not counting the story Jan. 11 about how the transfers are fitting in well.


The question was specifically about the Xavier pregame coverage.  HP posts 9 PREGAME articles from the two Cincinnati papers specifically mentioning the Xavier/Charlotte game.  You come back with 10 items, only two of which even mention Xavier/Charlotte prior to the game.  You are coming up against the Cinci pregame press with articles about a complete different game.  I guess my question here is, is there a single topic you can't spin to make it look like your paper actually does a halfway decent job of covering your local 20,000 student university?  Actually, no, I just want to know if you actually believe the stuff that you type here?  Do you actually convince yourself that a St. Joe's post game recap holds equal weight as a Xavier pregame story when the argument is specifically about the Xavier pregame coverage?  

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Jan. 16: This week in sports looks ahead to GW, mentions  game a week out

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/13635927.htm

Why are you bragging about giving a three setence preview of the best sporting event that is taking place in your market area this week?  Some newspapers might even consider it their job to let their readers know early and often about the best upcoming events in their city.


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Reply #70 on: January 20, 2006, 02:36:37 pm
jcl i think you're a great mod but think about what you just said.
ninermike:  "LakeNorman49er= Get your misquote of me out of your signature line. "

persinger (when discussing tarholes):  "we will do a big pre-game story on the upcoming tarhole game"

persinger (when discussing 49ers):  "we never do pre-game articles on any game.  it is not our job to inform the public about the local teams."


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Reply #71 on: January 20, 2006, 02:38:54 pm
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jcl your answers were pretty f****** stupid.

And your questions were pretty indicative that you have no clue about the newspaper industry. Your direct follow-up response to me, was pretty indicative of your high level of immaturity and complete lack of class.

If you're going to ask someone questions, how about coming up with something that actually makes some sense instead of wasting everyone's time?

And by the way, if you're going to insult me and then edit your post, you may want to do so a little quicker before I've had a chance to quote you.
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Reply #72 on: January 20, 2006, 02:40:56 pm
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let's try these 3 questions since mike is beating around the bush again.

1) why is the observer the ONLY paper in the world that refuses to do pre-game articles on the major hometown team?  


We have a wider group of teams than just the hometown team, and we try to do right by all of them. We don't do straight advances very often, preferring to write feature stories that appear on or around the day of big games.

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2) does it have anything to do with the fact that the sports editor can't stand the major hometown team?


I like the Niners. But I also know where they fall in the sports landscape here.

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3) or does the sports editor have other "interests"?  because as has been noted the sports editor does not mind doing articles on other teams.


This conveniently ignores stories we've done on the Niners on game days this year and in the past.
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Reply #73 on: January 20, 2006, 02:43:06 pm
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And your questions were pretty indicative that you have no clue about the newspaper industry.  


unless you work for the observer i promise i do know more.  that's all i can say and i apologize for my comment.
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persinger (when discussing tarholes):  "we will do a big pre-game story on the upcoming tarhole game"

persinger (when discussing 49ers):  "we never do pre-game articles on any game.  it is not our job to inform the public about the local teams."


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Reply #74 on: January 20, 2006, 02:50:37 pm
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We have a wider group of teams than just the hometown team, and we try to do right by all of them. We don't do straight advances very often, preferring to write feature stories that appear on or around the day of big games..


you have no more teams than cincy.  that's the major point you keep refusing to address. the cincy paper did a ton of pre-game articles and they have xavier, cincinnati, kentucky, louisville, ohio state, dayton, west virginia, the bengals, the reds, southern indiana, and many others in their "region".
ninermike:  "LakeNorman49er= Get your misquote of me out of your signature line. "

persinger (when discussing tarholes):  "we will do a big pre-game story on the upcoming tarhole game"

persinger (when discussing 49ers):  "we never do pre-game articles on any game.  it is not our job to inform the public about the local teams."


 

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