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Reply #25 on: December 15, 2017, 08:39:46 am
Firing Price, or even Lambert for that matter, would be like getting your tires rotated on a car with a blown engine.  Whoever the next coach will be here has no chance of being successful under current leadership.  The deck and the entire fanbase is stacked against them.


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Reply #26 on: December 15, 2017, 08:51:57 am
She doesnít get credit for this decision. Most everyone familiar with the program agrees that it needed to happen. But the timing is sketchy at best. She swung for the fences on this hire (and if you believe the rumors it wasnít even her decision) and it seems to have blown up in her face. And instead of giving Price a full third season to see if he can turn things around she fires him mid season. Conveniently right around the time people are calling for her job for not holding her staff accountable.

The very least they need to do to make sure they stop the bleeding to to make very clear, public standards for their coaches, especially in the two major sports. You canít keep the worst FBS coach who now has 5 years on the job and fire a former nba allstar who has a better record than the football coach and less time to build. It screams that you make these decisions based on how you feel instead of the facts in front of you.

The best decision would be to fire Judy. If one of these two are not done, I probably will not renew football season tickets and walk away from my FSLs.


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Reply #27 on: December 15, 2017, 08:55:07 am
No way Judy gets a pat on the back for this. Looking at this from a 30,000 foot view, Mark Price is beloved by many fans between his GT and Cleveland days, was liked around the NBA and was enough of a name nationally that it made a bit of a splash when he was hired.

Once you add in that he was only into his 3rd season, and while it was clear to most of us he was turning out to be a bad coach, it's the AD's job to ensure whatever decision is made, it doesn't blow up in our faces and make us look even worse. That's what happened here. Price was not going to be our long-term answer, but Judy put the programs total dysfunction on full display. 

When you have national pundits making claims of "stunned" and "sickened" after a decision, you haven't helped your cause. Firing him the way she did will not help us get better any sooner. It only helped us lose more ground, and probably what little, respect we had left among those in the college basketball community. Not to mention, its gonna take a desperate soul to want to be the next head coach under Judy (much like the coordinator positions under Lambert).


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Reply #28 on: December 15, 2017, 09:16:18 am
No way Judy gets a pat on the back for this. Looking at this from a 30,000 foot view, Mark Price is beloved by many fans between his GT and Cleveland days, was liked around the NBA and was enough of a name nationally that it made a bit of a splash when he was hired.

Once you add in that he was only into his 3rd season, and while it was clear to most of us he was turning out to be a bad coach, it's the AD's job to ensure whatever decision is made, it doesn't blow up in our faces and make us look even worse. That's what happened here. Price was not going to be our long-term answer, but Judy put the programs total dysfunction on full display. 

When you have national pundits making claims of "stunned" and "sickened" after a decision, you haven't helped your cause. Firing him the way she did will not help us get better any sooner. It only helped us lose more ground, and probably what little, respect we had left among those in the college basketball community. Not to mention, its gonna take a desperate soul to want to be the next head coach under Judy (much like the coordinator positions under Lambert).


100% agree with this.  The firing mid-season is the main issue and just a bad look all around.  It the same thing you see with bad desperate teams in professional sports owners who want to take criticism for their failures and place it on others.  The Browns are a prime example of this....


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Reply #29 on: December 15, 2017, 09:22:55 am
No way Judy gets a pat on the back for this. Looking at this from a 30,000 foot view, Mark Price is beloved by many fans between his GT and Cleveland days, was liked around the NBA and was enough of a name nationally that it made a bit of a splash when he was hired.

Once you add in that he was only into his 3rd season, and while it was clear to most of us he was turning out to be a bad coach, it's the AD's job to ensure whatever decision is made, it doesn't blow up in our faces and make us look even worse. That's what happened here. Price was not going to be our long-term answer, but Judy put the programs total dysfunction on full display. 

When you have national pundits making claims of "stunned" and "sickened" after a decision, you haven't helped your cause. Firing him the way she did will not help us get better any sooner. It only helped us lose more ground, and probably what little, respect we had left among those in the college basketball community. Not to mention, its gonna take a desperate soul to want to be the next head coach under Judy (much like the coordinator positions under Lambert).


100% agree with this.  The firing mid-season is the main issue and just a bad look all around.  It the same thing you see with bad desperate teams in professional sports owners who want to take criticism for their failures and place it on others.  The Browns are a prime example of this....
Judy Rose definitely does not deserve a pat on the back for this.  But for the record we are historically bad and should be desperate.
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Reply #30 on: December 15, 2017, 01:26:56 pm
He was in fact left without much of anything and the players he brought in are the reason they won the games they did his first year.  Besides Braxton name one player left in the first year that contributed to anything major to the team in Price's first year?


You are correct his record did get worse but not because he was left with an outstanding program to begin with.  If you want to say he did nothing to improve things then fine but to try to lay the blame on him for the programs downfall is inaccurate.

Several points here:


1) I did not blame him for the program's downfall.

Someone else said he ran the program into the ground. I think that person meant that Price made it worse than we already were. If they want to clarify that they thought that Major was doing ok and then Price ruined it, then yes, by all means that would be a crazy statement.


2) Your comments imply that his results here were because he was left with nothing. That is what I was disputing.

If you want to clarify your position, go ahead. I'm sure you probably don't actually mean that. Maybe you mean that it contributed to his lack of success here. But, I am not even sure I would buy that and the reason for that is because his teams have gotten worse every single season.


If your 2nd season is worse than your first, and your 3rd season is worse than the 2nd you can't blame that on the previous coach, the AD, or anyone else. If you want to blame Judy for hiring Price then go ahead, but the fact that we kept getting worse was all on the HC.


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Reply #31 on: December 16, 2017, 11:05:14 am
I'll say it also Good job Judy.....Price was a horrible coach and had no busy in college basketball.
If he wasn't a great player he would have never got this job and his firing would have went unnoticed
by everyone expect the fans on this board.


Don't tell me he was left nothing. Price inherited a very good roster when he was name the head
coach. The fact that no one wanted to stay and play for him says a lot about Price. You tell me
he couldn't convince the kids that he could build on the little success that they had the year before.
And he couldn't keep a top notch recruit. Look at NC State they hired a new coach and none of their
players ran out of town. The same happens at other programs that hire new coaches. One or two may
leave but not a whole roster. 


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Reply #32 on: December 16, 2017, 11:15:25 am
I'll say it also Good job Judy.....Price was a horrible coach and had no busy in college basketball.
If he wasn't a great player he would have never got this job and his firing would have went unnoticed
by everyone expect the fans on this board.


Don't tell me he was left nothing. Price inherited a very good roster when he was name the head
coach. The fact that no one wanted to stay and play for him says a lot about Price. You tell me
he couldn't convince the kids that he could build on the little success that they had the year before.
And he couldn't keep a top notch recruit. Look at NC State they hired a new coach and none of their
players ran out of town. The same happens at other programs that hire new coaches. One or two may
leave but not a whole roster.


I don't think anyone on this board has an issue with changing coaches.  I think the discussion is doing it mid season vs waiting until the end of the year.  I think we are all in agreement Price wasn't cut out to be a college head coach. 


As far as roster turnover - Major would have lost most of his team had Judy allowed it.  With Price he basically lost Woods and Dorn.  Thorne was leaving anyway and we were losing some seniors.  Most recruits walk when the staff leaves.  So really it was just those two players and Clayton, but most reports had him leaving Price or no Price. 


I don't put roster turnover on the incoming coach if the AD allows them to leave.  Now I do have a big issue with motivation, recruiting and in game coaching.  Those were below par and were places where I think Price failed.
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Reply #33 on: December 16, 2017, 11:29:32 am
I'll say it also Good job Judy.....Price was a horrible coach and had no busy in college basketball.
If he wasn't a great player he would have never got this job and his firing would have went unnoticed
by everyone expect the fans on this board.


Don't tell me he was left nothing. Price inherited a very good roster when he was name the head
coach. The fact that no one wanted to stay and play for him says a lot about Price. You tell me
he couldn't convince the kids that he could build on the little success that they had the year before.
And he couldn't keep a top notch recruit. Look at NC State they hired a new coach and none of their
players ran out of town. The same happens at other programs that hire new coaches. One or two may
leave but not a whole roster.

Calling someone horrible after only 2+ years on the job is an exaggeration. I donít expect our next coach to retain players or win a lot of games right out of the gate. The cupboards will be bare again.


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Reply #34 on: December 16, 2017, 12:24:17 pm
Price needed to go now.  He was on track for a 9 win season.  Fire him now give Fancher an honest chance and be first dibs for next year.
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Reply #35 on: December 16, 2017, 02:17:51 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ???  :D


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Reply #36 on: December 16, 2017, 02:23:58 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ???  :D
half the ncaa doesnt play soccer, its why usc is in cusa.  moves needle 0.0 on macro scale


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Reply #37 on: December 16, 2017, 02:39:08 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ???  :D
half the ncaa doesnt play soccer, its why usc is in cusa.  moves needle 0.0 on macro scale
Softball doesn't move it either.


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Reply #38 on: December 16, 2017, 03:01:24 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ???  :D
half the ncaa doesnt play soccer, its why usc is in cusa.  moves needle 0.0 on macro scale
Softball doesn't move it either.

nobody made that argument.  However ncaa softball WCWS games are on the ESPN mothership and draw 1.5 million-1.7 million viewers per game.  Would be nice if we at least tried at that sport also.

http://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/espn-ratings-oklahoma-florida-earns-womens-college-world-series-viewership-milestones.html
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Reply #39 on: December 16, 2017, 03:25:23 pm
Fourteen million four hundred forty three thousand two hundred minutes.
Fourteen million four hundred forty three thousand two hundred moments so dear.
Fourteen million four hundred forty three thousand two hundred minutes.
How do you measure,
Measure a Judyís career?
Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent.


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Reply #40 on: December 16, 2017, 04:19:39 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ??? :D
half the ncaa doesnt play soccer, its why usc is in cusa.  moves needle 0.0 on macro scale
Two hundred five schools play D1 soccer. Way more than play FBS football.
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Reply #41 on: December 16, 2017, 06:15:58 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ??? :D
half the ncaa doesnt play soccer, its why usc is in cusa.  moves needle 0.0 on macro scale
Two hundred five schools play D1 soccer. Way more than play FCS football.

WTF?  Why did you bring FCS football into the discussion?  We do NOT play FCS football. 

Or were you trying to point out that close to 50 FCS football teams are rated ahead of us and our AD retained the coach anyway?

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Reply #42 on: December 16, 2017, 08:37:26 pm
in other 49er Coaching news, former coach that is.

Did you see where Jeremy Gunn won his 3rd NCAA championship in a row!!! last week @ Stanford....

Who does that?? is he the best coach in the ncaa's 1) Gunn 2) Saban ??? :D
half the ncaa doesnt play soccer, its why usc is in cusa.  moves needle 0.0 on macro scale
Two hundred five schools play D1 soccer. Way more than play FCS football.

WTF?  Why did you bring FCS football into the discussion?  We do NOT play FCS football. 

Or were you trying to point out that close to 50 FCS football teams are rated ahead of us and our AD retained the coach anyway?
LOL. This is why I'd like to go back to D1 and 1A. Meant FBS.  Thanks for noticing.


Gunn coaches D1 soccer and Saban FBS football, to clarify the comparison. Way over half the NCAA plays soccer.
I'm impressed with Stanford's three peat.
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Reply #43 on: December 17, 2017, 07:27:50 pm

Don't tell me he was left nothing. Price inherited a very good roster when he was name the head coach. The fact that no one wanted to stay and play for him says a lot about Price. You tell me he couldn't convince the kids that he could build on the little success that they had the year before.

And he couldn't keep a top notch recruit. Look at NC State they hired a new coach and none of their players ran out of town. The same happens at other programs that hire new coaches. One or two may leave but not a whole roster.
Not sure NC State is the best example, which had a revolving door during Mark Gottfried's tenure with over a dozen players he recruited departing early by either transferring out or declaring for the NBA.

Discounting Dennis Smith, who was a one and done for the Pack - as well as Terry Henderson, who was denied a 6th year by the NCAA - new coach Kevin Keatts also lost Ted Kapita and Maverick Rowan after he took over. Add in Omer Yertseven's "testing the NBA waters" and it wasn't exactly clear cut who was going to still be in Raleigh in 2017-18.

The fact that Keatts cobbled together a six player 2017 recruiting class is proof that the Pack was in need of bodies. And the irony that five of the six are transfers isn't lost on me. Nor the fact that freshman Lavar Batts had originally signed with VCU and asked for and received his release following a coaching change there.

Plus Keatt's first 2018 recruit Jamie Lewis decommitted and ended up signing with Wake. Not that the Pack's 2018 recruiting class turned out too shabby in the end!

And lest I forget, there was the indefinite suspension of State starting PG Markell Johnson, announced just before yesterday's game vs UNCG. Would think the Pack would have won if he'd been available, though also interesting that Keatts didn't play Batts at all against the Spartans. Hmm...
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