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on: December 29, 2017, 09:19:03 pm
Here is a quick breakdown from our signing classes so far and how many kids were from NC:

  18 NC kids in 2012
10 NC kids in 2013
9 NC kids in 2014
9 NC kids in 2015
5 NC kids in 2016
4 NC kids in 2017
4 NC kids in 2018 (so far including the White kid from GA prep via Huntersville)

EDIT: I didn't include the CLT numbers because there are just atrocious. The NC kids numbers paint enough of a picture here.
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Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 09:54:02 pm
Those numbers are simply appalling.

Next head coach needs to make the first order of business hiring a metrolina recruiting coordinator as its own position. Whole job is building inroads and unburning all the bridges our staff was too incompetent to fireproof w/ local hs programs.

Dead serious.


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Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 06:45:32 am
clt says no need to bring race into this.


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Reply #3 on: December 30, 2017, 09:43:33 am
I spoke to Judy.  She called the chamber to solve this   :blank:


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Reply #4 on: December 30, 2017, 10:44:29 am
For those who missed this trainwreck, 49er youtube never posted it for good reason

Lambert presser https://www.facebook.com/thecharlottepost/videos/10155244867307507/

asked about lack of local kids:
"We are working Charlotte from the inside out"

asked about lack of fbs offers his recruits dont have:
"ya we stole a kid from southern miss, starting to really stackin em up"

15:30
"Just how close we were this season"  :-X
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Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 10:52:51 am
For those who missed this trainwreck, 49er youtube never posted it for good reason

Lambert presser https://www.facebook.com/thecharlottepost/videos/10155244867307507/

asked about lack of local kids:
"We are working Charlotte from the inside out"

asked about lack of fbs offers his recruits dont have:
"ya we stole a kid from southern miss, starting to really stackin em up"

15:30
"Just how close we were this season"  :-X
the reporters that asked those questions will be barred in the future because they don't want to print anything positive.

Judy thinks the media should live by the "if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" mantra.


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Reply #6 on: December 30, 2017, 01:05:57 pm
It's beyond stupid not to recruit the Charlotte area like crazy.  Talent abounds that we could recruit on a freaking bicycle and we ignore.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard and not gonna lead to job security.  Then again 1-11 keeps you here so who the hell knows...
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Reply #7 on: December 30, 2017, 03:44:24 pm
I am sure our 2018 class will love Brad Lambert only tweeting about 1 kid.  Brilliant chemistry move gomer


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Reply #8 on: January 05, 2018, 10:26:16 am
Most of you already know my thoughts on this. As an assistant coach at a powerhouse HS in Charlotte I want my kids to go to Charlotte, local school, puts butts in the seats because the kids can have their whole families at games.

You need to look no further than Aaron Brand(HC of Vance HS) tweet after our new OC got hired to figure out that we are not even trying in Charlotte. It is sad and needs to change.
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Reply #9 on: January 05, 2018, 10:43:17 am
Most of you already know my thoughts on this. As an assistant coach at a powerhouse HS in Charlotte I want my kids to go to Charlotte, local school, puts butts in the seats because the kids can have their whole families at games.

You need to look no further than Aaron Brand(HC of Vance HS) tweet after our new OC got hired to figure out that we are not even trying in Charlotte. It is sad and needs to change.


I know I have seen this information posted by several people on this board and also on twitter.  I'm just trying to get a better understanding of how deficient the staff has been.


     Have they stopped even visiting the local schools?
     Have they stopped offering the local kids all together, or only offer the highest rated kids?
     Does the staff do an initial offer or visit, but never come back and follow through?
     Are the local coaches encouraging their best talent to go to Charlotte, from their end?


These are just a few of the questions I have had since seeing these postings, so I can get an idea on the particulars of how things have diminished between the coaching staff and the local HS coaches.  I've seen this issue mentioned, but no one has really provided examples and details around it.


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Reply #10 on: January 05, 2018, 10:52:34 am
I know one head coach whose school borders Mecklenburg along with an assistant that I play golf.  Both have told me over the past three years since Radcliff passed that we do not even visit the area high schools anymore.  They do not understand at all since one school sent 4-5 players to us the first couple of years. 

These schools are still sending players to ECU, App, Coastal, etc, but we are not even in play.  Both coaches tell me that it amazes them how hard we were recruiting and how little we do now.


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Reply #11 on: January 05, 2018, 11:54:20 am
I'm not trying to be a pain guys, but I refuse to believe that we are intentionally not recruiting mecklenburg county.  That would be a special kind of stupid.  Our current staff may not be as personable as Coach Ratliff was, but few are. 


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Reply #12 on: January 05, 2018, 12:22:58 pm
I'm not trying to be a pain guys, but I refuse to believe that we are intentionally not recruiting mecklenburg county.  That would be a special kind of stupid.  Our current staff may not be as personable as Coach Ratliff was, but few are.


It may not be intentional but the evidence is surely stacking up that the effort isn't what it should be. For example, before Coach Ratliff passed we were all over Mallard Creek. Now it seems that dynamic has changed to the point that they don't even seem to want us there.




I know we can't fill a team with local guys but the ties and effort still need to be there. This is coming from a proponent of someone that wants us to recruit Florida hard.


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Reply #13 on: January 05, 2018, 01:59:18 pm
I'm not trying to be a pain guys, but I refuse to believe that we are intentionally not recruiting mecklenburg county.  That would be a special kind of stupid.  Our current staff may not be as personable as Coach Ratliff was, but few are.


It may not be intentional but the evidence is surely stacking up that the effort isn't what it should be. For example, before Coach Ratliff passed we were all over Mallard Creek. Now it seems that dynamic has changed to the point that they don't even seem to want us there.




I know we can't fill a team with local guys but the ties and effort still need to be there. This is coming from a proponent of someone that wants us to recruit Florida hard.


We also had Coach Sykes on staff who was a former assistant coach at Mallard Creek.  Losing Ratliff, then Sykes, then Curry, has really hurt our recruiting.


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Reply #14 on: January 05, 2018, 02:01:26 pm
I'm not trying to be a pain guys, but I refuse to believe that we are intentionally not recruiting mecklenburg county.  That would be a special kind of stupid.  Our current staff may not be as personable as Coach Ratliff was, but few are.


It may not be intentional but the evidence is surely stacking up that the effort isn't what it should be. For example, before Coach Ratliff passed we were all over Mallard Creek. Now it seems that dynamic has changed to the point that they don't even seem to want us there.




I know we can't fill a team with local guys but the ties and effort still need to be there. This is coming from a proponent of someone that wants us to recruit Florida hard.


We also had Coach Sykes on staff who was a former assistant coach at Mallard Creek.  Losing Ratliff, then Sykes, then Curry, has really hurt our recruiting.

Good call Mr. B.  I'd say our relationships pretty much everywhere have at the very least changed. 


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Reply #15 on: January 05, 2018, 02:14:44 pm
When you see local guys talking about the issues, something is there. Whatever the issue is, it falls on Lambert and staff to accept it, game plan and then fix it.

It is a joke there is no kid from Charlotte, NC in our recruiting class. Burbs are great and there is good talent there, but we have to pluck kids from Vance, MC, etc. 


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Reply #16 on: January 05, 2018, 02:27:19 pm
When you see local guys talking about the issues, something is there. Whatever the issue is, it falls on Lambert and staff to accept it, game plan and then fix it.

It is a joke there is no kid from Charlotte, NC in our recruiting class. Burbs are great and there is good talent there, but we have to pluck kids from Vance, MC, etc.


I totally agree with this, that there needs to be marked improvement by our staff.  But it also has to be a two way street.  I believe some of these local HS coaches have a legitimate beef with our staff, but I also don't want some of these coaches belly aching because we didn't take the 5'6" 145lb guy on their roster that they feels deserves a chance at the next level and they are mad with us just because we are the local school that didn't give him a shot when nobody else was neither.  Plus, they need to be pushing some of those at least 3, and occasional, 4 star kids our way.  There should be some give and take there.


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Reply #17 on: January 05, 2018, 02:43:22 pm
When you see local guys talking about the issues, something is there. Whatever the issue is, it falls on Lambert and staff to accept it, game plan and then fix it.

It is a joke there is no kid from Charlotte, NC in our recruiting class. Burbs are great and there is good talent there, but we have to pluck kids from Vance, MC, etc.


I totally agree with this, that there needs to be marked improvement by our staff.  But it also has to be a two way street.  I believe some of these local HS coaches have a legitimate beef with our staff, but I also don't want some of these coaches belly aching because we didn't take the 5'6" 145lb guy on their roster that they feels deserves a chance at the next level and they are mad with us just because we are the local school that didn't give him a shot when nobody else was neither.  Plus, they need to be pushing some of those at least 3, and occasional, 4 star kids our way.  There should be some give and take there.
From what I understand, we've chased a lot of talent outside of our City/burbs for out of state guys with comparable skill level.  You can only s*** so much in your backyard before it stinks...


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Reply #18 on: January 05, 2018, 03:14:12 pm
Regardless of where the talent has been, Lambert's crew should be visiting Vance quite frequently. 


Vance's 50-yard-line is 1.96 miles away from our 50-yard-line.  It's almost close enough to make jogging to it a drill.


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Reply #19 on: January 05, 2018, 03:59:05 pm
clt says local kids are cheaper for the school to admit, and cheaper to recruit.


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Reply #20 on: January 05, 2018, 04:06:54 pm
When you see local guys talking about the issues, something is there. Whatever the issue is, it falls on Lambert and staff to accept it, game plan and then fix it.

It is a joke there is no kid from Charlotte, NC in our recruiting class. Burbs are great and there is good talent there, but we have to pluck kids from Vance, MC, etc.

So the question to Lambert should be: "Coach, there is no player from Charlotte in this recruiting class.  Were there no kids that we wanted, or were there no kids that wanted us?"
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Reply #21 on: January 05, 2018, 06:05:18 pm
A Mallard Creek asst told me it's been 2-3 years since Charlotte even visited!

I coach at Catholic, the reigning 3A State Champs and a team that has been to 8 straight state semi-finals, I've been blessed to be a part of the tradition here for years.
This season we had a RB with a Charlotte offer and that's it, but only once this year and I think it was the first time in years that a Charlotte coach(Henry) was at one of our practices. The kid is dynamic and could be a star here(Milan Howard) yet we have a guard who Brewer at UNC said could play for them right away who is a junior and several other kids other schools are looking at but Charlotte just seems to ignore.
It is beyond infuriating. You can say you don't believe they aren't deliberately not recruiting and maybe they aren't, but man they are all riding the short bus if they think what they are doing is working.
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Reply #22 on: January 05, 2018, 07:31:09 pm
A Mallard Creek asst told me it's been 2-3 years since Charlotte even visited!

I coach at Catholic, the reigning 3A State Champs and a team that has been to 8 straight state semi-finals, I've been blessed to be a part of the tradition here for years.
This season we had a RB with a Charlotte offer and that's it, but only once this year and I think it was the first time in years that a Charlotte coach(Henry) was at one of our practices. The kid is dynamic and could be a star here(Milan Howard) yet we have a guard who Brewer at UNC said could play for them right away who is a junior and several other kids other schools are looking at but Charlotte just seems to ignore.
It is beyond infuriating. You can say you don't believe they aren't deliberately not recruiting and maybe they aren't, but man they are all riding the short bus if they think what they are doing is working.

Hard not to believe this perspective.  Thanks for sharing.  This is beyond frustrating......I guess Judy was planning her retirement while deciding to retain Lambert and staff.


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Reply #23 on: January 06, 2018, 12:45:05 pm
When you see local guys talking about the issues, something is there. Whatever the issue is, it falls on Lambert and staff to accept it, game plan and then fix it.

It is a joke there is no kid from Charlotte, NC in our recruiting class. Burbs are great and there is good talent there, but we have to pluck kids from Vance, MC, etc.

So the question to Lambert should be: "Coach, there is no player from Charlotte in this recruiting class.  Were there no kids that we wanted, or were there no kids that wanted us?"
His presser he said there were offers. 
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Reply #24 on: January 06, 2018, 01:18:52 pm
A Mallard Creek asst told me it's been 2-3 years since Charlotte even visited!

I coach at Catholic, the reigning 3A State Champs and a team that has been to 8 straight state semi-finals, I've been blessed to be a part of the tradition here for years.
This season we had a RB with a Charlotte offer and that's it, but only once this year and I think it was the first time in years that a Charlotte coach(Henry) was at one of our practices. The kid is dynamic and could be a star here(Milan Howard) yet we have a guard who Brewer at UNC said could play for them right away who is a junior and several other kids other schools are looking at but Charlotte just seems to ignore.
It is beyond infuriating. You can say you don't believe they aren't deliberately not recruiting and maybe they aren't, but man they are all riding the short bus if they think what they are doing is working.

I came to CC a couple years ago to watch North Davidson play in 3rd round of 4A playoffs. You guys have a great coached team. Niner coaches should be at fixture at your school and others in Charlotte.

Still say North Davidson got screwed in that game when they called QB over line of scrimmage on a 75 yard TD, turned game around. The QB for North visited Charlotte but like most D1 schools thought he was too short(5'11"). But he had quickest release i have seen and strong accurate arm. His last 2 seasons he threw for around a combined 8000 yards and around 80 TDs. He can out throw anyone on Charlottes roster. He is playing baseball in college since he didn't get bigger offers for football because of his height.


 

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