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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by Mr. Bojangles on Today at 11:26:36 am »
What's changed? Oh wait, we're recruiting to a bottom dweller league with brutal travel and no natural recruiting areas for ourselves.  Throw in recovering from the gap in recruiting that happens when a coach is sick and pushed hard to leave by boosters. Then the next one has all the prior coaches recruits leave the pipeline as often happens...

Yet most blame that 100% on the ad and coach but don't mention what drove the move and most people's support for it.
This borders on a Presidential level of self awareness. It comes off as ignorant and immature board crap that no admin will take seriously. I also find the fire Judy chants despicable.

I don't excuse the lack of fire I'm seeing from the players nor the decision to cut costs during a decline (which personally made me cut away back on my support). But you have to develop a little more nuanced view of the factors here instead of just ranting to fire persons x y z. There is no panacea to getting out of this mess. Somehow we need to get out of CUSA or the league needs to miraculously improve which seems pretty unlikely.
I doubt anyone agrees with this 😉

Does anyone have any ideas other than firing people?

You have to understand the history of how we got to where we are, and the statements made by the AD along the way.  Many of us have a much different experience with our basketball team than others.  I wouldn't say that CUSA is where any of us want to be other than the baseball team, but it was our best option when bringing on football.  Judy could have started football two decades ago and was even warned that the school was going to be booted from the original CUSA.  This included these teams:

Cincinnati
Louisville
Marquette
St. Louis
East Carolina
DePaul
Memphis
Houston
South Florida
TCU
UAB
Tulane
So. Miss.

So 6 of these teams are in the AAC, 1 in the A10, 1 in the ACC, 1 in the Big 12, 2 in the Big East, and 2 are with us in CUSA.  We were a perennial top 3 team in this league in basketball.  Now we are with and in a worse position than 2 of these teams (UAB and So. Miss.)  I believe there was only one person in charge from the time that we were in that league to where we are today.  There is no justification for that person to be around.  Upper management refuses to remove that person so you are witnessing the anger of alumni. 

As far as ideas, the biggest thing to help everyone where we are would be to blow up the G5, create regional conferences, and try to rebuild these schools this way.  We missed the boat, probably for decades to come for getting in a P5 conference.


We were the 2nd best basketball team in the years we were in C-USA 1.0.  It amazes me to see what our peers on that list of C-USA 1.0 have done since 2005.  2005 just so happens to be when Phil Dubois became chancellor.  The dynamic duo of Phil and Judy have destroyed our basketball program.  No one has been held accountable except Bobby Lutz and Alan Major.

All our fanbase wants is some hope that things will get better.  We've been waiting on that for years now.  Currently there is no light at the end of the tunnel and we're stuck with the same old BS.  Many of us were hanging on by a thread before we started football.  Starting football was great and it brought many back into the fan base, but now we are back to where we we were 10-12 years ago, only worse.
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by moss2k on Today at 10:18:03 am »
Perhaps a "FIRE CHAPEL HILL PHIL" chant should also be used.
You aren't getting him out, that's wasted energy. Focus needs to be on Judy.
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by 49r9r on Today at 10:11:07 am »
Perhaps a "FIRE CHAPEL HILL PHIL" chant should also be used. 
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by NinerWupAss on Today at 10:05:42 am »
You aren't the first to think the chanting is distasteful.  I think many think that, me included.  The issue though is we have taken complaints and ideas to the AD for years and yet the issues persist.  It's a simple reaction to not listening to the concerns of your fanbase for years combined with excessive losing. 

If our goal is AAC WE CANT dial back football.  We have to be where we are.  The A10 was never a good fit for us and we never performed there.  It's pretty simple, for us to ever be where we should be we have to get the ship righted and compete at the top of this league.  It is totally doable but our leadership has to commit to winning in football and men's basketball and to do that we have to correct things like marketing, service, winning, recruiting, etc.  To do that Judy has to either be replaced or change her approach and she has clearly stated changing her approach isn't happening.
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: Dear Jeff Mullins
« Last post by ghostofclt on Today at 10:01:28 am »
clt misses being relevant in sports.
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by mightymitchfan on Today at 10:00:15 am »
To be clear I'm not arguing for or against new leadership. I'm saying FireJudy Chants are distasteful to me and make me not want to attend games. It seems to mostly be kids piling on and most of them probably don't know much about it. It's just fun to fire people. I also think firing someone without having any ideas on what the new person would be tasked with doing differently is no way forward.

Some good points have been made about the mistakes the AD made and the list of schools we were associated with is pretty damning all right. I don't know why the big east boat was missed or if the administration would agree it was even possible. I also don't know why davidson can have football and A10 bball while we can't. I guess it all comes back to over reaching on what level to start the program at? Would it make sense to roll that back?

I do know we are mediocre in a bad league. Establishing a new recruiting pipeline takes quite a while when you're not a winner. But, are we missing out on kids who went to other bottom leagues or were they recruited by a top 10 league. Most kids are not going to stay home in that situation.

Dowless you said "As far as ideas, the biggest thing to help everyone where we are would be to blow up the G5, create regional conferences, and try to rebuild these schools this way.  We missed the boat, probably for decades to come for getting in a P5 conference." .
I don't understand, what is G5?

ImFromClayton you said "
My ideas:
I love what UMass has done, with basketball in a good league, and a football independent.  I think there's much more upward mobility.

I think we need a much more vibrant donor base. Whales are good, but our booster club should have much more common folk. 

We have to stick to our recruiting plan again.  Are you following that?  Our recruiting is a nightmare.

We have to stop extending coaches on knee jerk reactions following one decent season. 

These are an AD's responsibility in my view. "

I don't know what recruiting plan we're not sticking to but your post makes sense to me. If we could come up with a succinct list of ideas like this perhaps the admin would listen and provide some answers.

So people chanting fire Judy Rose makes you want to stop attending games but the product we are putting on the floor doesn’t?

I think what the administration is doing off largely the backs of student fees is just as distasteful if not downright criminal.
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: Dear Jeff Mullins
« Last post by 49r9r on Today at 09:53:52 am »
^^^^ that video brings both happy and sad tears to my eyes.  Happy because of what we once were and sad because of what we are now.
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by punchdrunk on Today at 09:51:08 am »
elrod,
since you claim #firejuyrose is distasteful, where is your post on MANY distasteful things Ju-Bois combo has done?  The bar of taste was not lowered by fans but admin. 
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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by elrodvt on Today at 09:40:27 am »
To be clear I'm not arguing for or against new leadership. I'm saying FireJudy Chants are distasteful to me and make me not want to attend games. It seems to mostly be kids piling on and most of them probably don't know much about it. It's just fun to fire people. I also think firing someone without having any ideas on what the new person would be tasked with doing differently is no way forward.

Some good points have been made about the mistakes the AD made and the list of schools we were associated with is pretty damning all right. I don't know why the big east boat was missed or if the administration would agree it was even possible. I also don't know why davidson can have football and A10 bball while we can't. I guess it all comes back to over reaching on what level to start the program at? Would it make sense to roll that back?

I do know we are mediocre in a bad league. Establishing a new recruiting pipeline takes quite a while when you're not a winner. But, are we missing out on kids who went to other bottom leagues or were they recruited by a top 10 league. Most kids are not going to stay home in that situation.

Dowless you said "As far as ideas, the biggest thing to help everyone where we are would be to blow up the G5, create regional conferences, and try to rebuild these schools this way.  We missed the boat, probably for decades to come for getting in a P5 conference." .
I don't understand, what is G5?

ImFromClayton you said "
My ideas:
I love what UMass has done, with basketball in a good league, and a football independent.  I think there's much more upward mobility.

I think we need a much more vibrant donor base. Whales are good, but our booster club should have much more common folk. 

We have to stick to our recruiting plan again.  Are you following that?  Our recruiting is a nightmare.

We have to stop extending coaches on knee jerk reactions following one decent season. 

These are an AD's responsibility in my view. "

I don't know what recruiting plan we're not sticking to but your post makes sense to me. If we could come up with a succinct list of ideas like this perhaps the admin would listen and provide some answers.


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49ers Basketball Forum / Re: UTC Disaster
« Last post by punchdrunk on Today at 09:32:02 am »
3 cusa teams slated to be top 70 rpi.  its not impossible as some too often suggest here

this list screams one thing to our peers: wtf is going on at Charlotte?  we are easily most underperforming team in league with our history

http://www.rpiforecast.com/confs/CUSA.html
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