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Reply #50 on: June 08, 2016, 12:02:38 pm
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Everything is going to plan. The for profit broadcast rights and corporate sponsorship business model of college sports is doing what it does to every other industry - it will produce a small, aristocratic oligarchy and drive everyone else completely out of business via economics. That is the desired result of everyone currently pulling the strings.

Stupid fans and fanbases will applaud this reduction of choice and competition as what is "best for the game" like frogs on slow boil. At the end, when there are as few as 5-8 winners in the realignment wars, and all the other survivors are stuck playing the role of the Washington Generals in their respective conferences, all the $$ will feel very very empty and bitter as the 1-10 seasons and constant state of desperate churn erodes their fandom and fanbases.

No one stopped to ask why the NFL is so popular. It isn't because of the effects of Darwinism or unfettered capitalism on the economic side. It's all the factors that produce more economic and talent parity in the league and keep the competition levels even (the Darwinism is contained to gameday, where it belongs, and kept out of the economic side of the league). For some reason, that model is met with revulsion as a concept for college football - decades of evidence from the NFL are completely ignored.


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Reply #51 on: June 08, 2016, 08:31:36 pm
I am baffled as to how our Conference Commissioner (I know it is her first year and she was dealt some of these cards but she is not new to CUSA) and the Athletic Directors of CUSA's universities still have a job.  The ADs signed off on this deal.  I don't know if independence is the answer.  That seems very extreme.  What is amazing to me is how we are one year into our new football conference and wanting to find any escape not named the Sun Belt.  I am at a loss for words really.  I am a huge supporter of our school and will remain that way.  I have to question where we are right now. 


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Reply #52 on: June 09, 2016, 08:13:16 am
oh man, if Chuck Landon wrote for the observer he'd be banned from writing more than a press release like David Scott:
http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/chuck-landon-c-usa-kept-the-new-tv-pact-secret/article_5382d874-7c78-52a3-9862-234e0cbe0e29.html

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Reply #53 on: June 09, 2016, 08:28:46 am
I am baffled as to how our Conference Commissioner (I know it is her first year and she was dealt some of these cards but she is not new to CUSA) and the Athletic Directors of CUSA's universities still have a job.  The ADs signed off on this deal.  I don't know if independence is the answer.  That seems very extreme.  What is amazing to me is how we are one year into our new football conference and wanting to find any escape not named the Sun Belt.  I am at a loss for words really.  I am a huge supporter of our school and will remain that way.  I have to question where we are right now.


You can trace this all back to the late 90s and early 2000s when the push for football was shut down and ignore. We start a program anytime before 2005 and we would be in the AAC.


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Reply #54 on: June 09, 2016, 08:49:59 am
I am baffled as to how our Conference Commissioner (I know it is her first year and she was dealt some of these cards but she is not new to CUSA) and the Athletic Directors of CUSA's universities still have a job.  The ADs signed off on this deal.  I don't know if independence is the answer.  That seems very extreme.  What is amazing to me is how we are one year into our new football conference and wanting to find any escape not named the Sun Belt.  I am at a loss for words really.  I am a huge supporter of our school and will remain that way.  I have to question where we are right now.


We are part of the problem.  They brought us into this league because of our large TV market.  Look how much our market helped out in the new TV deal.


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Reply #55 on: June 09, 2016, 08:52:44 am
I am baffled as to how our Conference Commissioner (I know it is her first year and she was dealt some of these cards but she is not new to CUSA) and the Athletic Directors of CUSA's universities still have a job.  The ADs signed off on this deal.  I don't know if independence is the answer.  That seems very extreme.  What is amazing to me is how we are one year into our new football conference and wanting to find any escape not named the Sun Belt.  I am at a loss for words really.  I am a huge supporter of our school and will remain that way.  I have to question where we are right now.


We are part of the problem.  They brought us into this league because of our large TV market.  Look how much our market helped out in the new TV deal.


This is what we were offered, all of us, together. Not sure what else we wanted them to do other than take the president of Disney hostage and demand more money that way. What I love is all the Masha and USM fans who don't seem to realize that THEIR SCHOOLS were factored into this equation beside the "useless market" schools too.


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Reply #56 on: June 09, 2016, 09:27:12 am
I am baffled as to how our Conference Commissioner (I know it is her first year and she was dealt some of these cards but she is not new to CUSA) and the Athletic Directors of CUSA's universities still have a job.  The ADs signed off on this deal.  I don't know if independence is the answer.  That seems very extreme.  What is amazing to me is how we are one year into our new football conference and wanting to find any escape not named the Sun Belt.  I am at a loss for words really.  I am a huge supporter of our school and will remain that way.  I have to question where we are right now.


We are part of the problem.  They brought us into this league because of our large TV market.  Look how much our market helped out in the new TV deal.


Perhaps we did help - a lot.  Hard to know.  I think it is just an example of the TV well starting to go dry.  The networks are already over paying for the big conferences and that is bleeding down to us.  With many of the networks in tough financial situations there just isnt the cash available. 
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Reply #57 on: June 09, 2016, 09:51:04 am
2) Several fanbases ready to leave CUSA for... anywhere. Even independence. Of course, Marshall is going to the Big 12 or AAC or whatever (just ask them), but there is also a lot of humble pie. Life lines requested from the MWC and MAC. Rice wants to go it alone - and one of their points is a genuine question - can they do better just scheduling themselves against local/regional competition and one or two marquee games per year? Their fanbase would much rather play other Texas schools than CUSA east, and would draw better at home. Maybe? Probably? Then again, some Rice fans want to fold the program entirely.

Good points. This all raises the question, "how do you define what's best for the school?" Maximizing income and turning a profit? Maximizing opportunity and ability to win? Maximizing media exposure and coverage for our school for marketing purposes? Positioning ourselves to be in the best position to be taken by a bigger conference to increase our ability to do those points previously mentioned?

Obviously, we would like all of the above. If other Texas schools are interested in playing Rice, I don't see why they would want to play ODU, FIU, etc. The biggest hurdle for going independent would be scheduling BYU and Notre Dame are name brands with long history, and people want to play them. I'm not sure how easy it would be for us to put together an independent schedule. I wouldn't want to go independent right now, stick with CUSA for the time being and try to elevate the conference.


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Reply #58 on: June 09, 2016, 10:36:10 am
Seems to me that that best thing to do is to make the best of the situation.  Build the programs and see what the future might hold.  Yes, the deal sucks, but it's only for two years.  I suppose the deal was agreed, short-term, to continue exploring ALL options to deliver content.  The G5 are living in a world constructed by TV and the cartel, nothing Charlotte or CUSA can really do but keep building, which seems to be happening with football and men's basketball.  Right now there are two conferences in the G5 that seem a bit better off (AAC and MWC), but CUSA and the SBC have to get better to compete for limited dollars (the MAc is the MAC and still locked in for a while).  I personally think CUSA has a chance to improve it's package in two years, I don't think the SBC does (despite the protests of its fans that the SBC has surpassed CUSA).  I don't see the AAC doing better when its contracts get negotiated and won't be surprised at all to see a significant drop there too.

Make the best of it, support the programs...it's what I'm going to do.


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Reply #59 on: June 09, 2016, 10:52:19 am
clt says tv money is going to dry up for all sports other than the nfl. the nba deal is a noose.


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Reply #60 on: June 09, 2016, 11:01:06 am
ACC is now proposing to go to 9 conference games. Strong support in the league to do it.

After that will be a mandate for P5 programs to play no fewer than 8 home games in a 12 game schedule (basically only road games will be league play or one other P5 school).

The G5 marginalization continues.

Its coming folks. At least 10% of all FBS programs, and about 20-25% of G5 schools are gonna be busted back to FCS which will be the new DII. Within 10 years. Maybe less. 


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Reply #61 on: June 09, 2016, 12:32:24 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees.  (Arguing about the fees is another thread.)  I believe Charlotte is growing by almost 1000 students per year, which increases revenue by about $600k per year.  There are schools in our conference with declining enrollment and small media markets that have few options to close the gap.  Charlotte is not one of them.  Things change, and I think we are going to be fine.  We should worry less about the impact of TV money on our program and more about the affect of winning.  Like my mom always says, worry about the things you can do something about.
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Reply #62 on: June 09, 2016, 01:17:39 pm
If anyone wants a real kick in the nuts, A10 schools make more in TV revenue than we do.


Networks think A10 basketball is worth more than CUSA football + basketball.


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Reply #63 on: June 09, 2016, 01:48:27 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees. 


I know you say for another thread, but this is the EXACT way our AD thinks. 
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Reply #64 on: June 09, 2016, 01:56:20 pm
https://twitter.com/CUSAbbs/status/740682953190215680

Interview with the commissioner at approximately the 13 minute mark.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 04:11:31 pm by chidave »


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Reply #65 on: June 09, 2016, 02:08:12 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees. 


I know you say for another thread, but this is the EXACT way our AD thinks.
I am saying that for the purposes of this conversation, this is how it works.  Right or wrong is another discussion.
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Reply #66 on: June 09, 2016, 02:50:38 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees. 


I know you say for another thread, but this is the EXACT way our AD thinks.


We can always count on those $tudent fees.  Who needs TV money?  We've got plenty!


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Reply #67 on: June 09, 2016, 03:30:42 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees.  (Arguing about the fees is another thread.)

As long as no one has reach outside their little isolated world, the product will stay what it is and remained buried on page 19D.  It is currently a small time product and promoting your way of thinking, it will stay a small time product. 

Now more than ever is the time to say "WE CAN'T KEEP DOING BUSINESS THE SAME WAY WE HAVE".




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Reply #68 on: June 09, 2016, 07:23:55 pm
clt says the whole thing is donkey brained.


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Reply #69 on: June 09, 2016, 08:53:56 pm
The NNN reaction has been extremely tame compared to other programs in the conference. Whipped dog syndrome.

Common positions from CUSA fanbases:

1) Just about all of the schools could do better than $200k if they retained their broadcast rights and sold them individually. Conversations about ODU already getting $70k for the pittance of 2nd & 3rd tier digital rights they retained last year. WKU has a deal to get a portion of their games on Fox sports. IIRC we get close to $100k/season from IMG just for our radio rights.

2) Several fanbases ready to leave CUSA for... anywhere. Even independence. Of course, Marshall is going to the Big 12 or AAC or whatever (just ask them), but there is also a lot of humble pie. Life lines requested from the MWC and MAC. Rice wants to go it alone - and one of their points is a genuine question - can they do better just scheduling themselves against local/regional competition and one or two marquee games per year? Their fanbase would much rather play other Texas schools than CUSA east, and would draw better at home. Maybe? Probably? Then again, some Rice fans want to fold the program entirely.

3)  Near universal anger at league administration, especially Banowsky and Judy McLeod. But also a great deal of frustration with ADs in the league. Everyone should be fired. Apparently, CUSA hired a firm to negotiate our TV deals - [insert Stamats joke]. 

4) near universal revulsion of Charlotte as a league addition - "but but markets!!!11!!"

5) Jealousy of the MAC for smartly negotiating a long term deal before the sports bubble popped. They are viable for 10 years and that $500k they each get looks a whole lot better.

6) a few weak pleas to make up the slack via NCAA tournament units (wishful thinking IMHO)

My take is that everything is going as planned. P5 was tired of FBS additions. They are now moving to relegate the G5 to FCS via economics. Anticipate at least 10% of current FBS programs downgrading to FCS (now effectively DII) or dropping the sport in the not too distant future if this trend continues. Could snowball fast & worse with the additional burden of cost of attendance which is a double whammy with the TV rights cuts (those that say its a fraction of the budget...)

The remaining FBS will limp along taking charity body bag games just to try to replace the lost revenue - can see P5 schools going to 8 home games per season just due to economics, and the G5, desperate for a lifeline, all too willing to give up another home game to acquiesce. The B1G move to cut FCS programs from their schedules wasn't altruism, nor was it SOS related; it was phase 2 of "the plan". With the addition of shoe company sponsorships in the hundreds of millions, there is no capacity for the sisters of the poor to possibly compete. The weakest of the P5 schools is distributing over $23M/yr to each school plus whatever sponsorship $$.

The truth of the model as currently constructed is that FBS will be reduced to the superconference future through economic attrition within a decade or two. It's inevitable without reform. The only question is just how fast it will happen.

We are such whipped dogs that we will ridicule the critics of this news while simultaneously letting our administration off the hook.

Regional conferences (to reduce costs) in a true FCS style competition with playoffs is the only way forward here. It will probably take our peers in the G5 a long time to realize that. There is no way we should be playing in the same division as schools getting over 23 million a piece minimum. The whole thing is corrupt, unfair and the G5 is being used as cannon fodder to buy wins. Give me a true competition any day. Don't care if it's FCS. To those of you who said we should have joined the southern conference back in the day. You were probably right. Of course App and Davidson would probably be gone by now. This is all clearly at the feet of our administration. Failure to act on football in a timely manner and poor hiring on the basketball coaching side has now severely limited our opportunities.


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Reply #70 on: June 09, 2016, 11:15:18 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees.  (Arguing about the fees is another thread.)

As long as no one has reach outside their little isolated world, the product will stay what it is and remained buried on page 19D.  It is currently a small time product and promoting your way of thinking, it will stay a small time product. 

Now more than ever is the time to say "WE CAN'T KEEP DOING BUSINESS THE SAME WAY WE HAVE".


I agree our marketing sucks but the biggest reason we are buried on page 19D is we haven't been winning in the sports that matter.


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Reply #71 on: June 10, 2016, 04:07:29 pm
If Charlotte is losing $900k per year on the TV deal but we should quickly make up that much and more in revenues from incremental enrollment growth and the corresponding student fees.  (Arguing about the fees is another thread.)

As long as no one has reach outside their little isolated world, the product will stay what it is and remained buried on page 19D.  It is currently a small time product and promoting your way of thinking, it will stay a small time product. 

Now more than ever is the time to say "WE CAN'T KEEP DOING BUSINESS THE SAME WAY WE HAVE".


I agree our marketing sucks but the biggest reason we are buried on page 19D is we haven't been winning in the sports that matter.
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Reply #72 on: June 10, 2016, 04:45:43 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/10/bein-sports-us-expansion-college-sports?CMP=share_btn_tw

This is a worthwhile read about how BeIN got involved, and their long term strategy. Among other things, they want to do a "college gameday" type show, and weekly features.

I suspect that this is a partnership that we hope becomes mutually beneficial and really takes off. This is a network that could really up their ante in two years if they like the early returns.


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Reply #73 on: June 10, 2016, 06:11:09 pm
Judy Rose should try to get on Hilary's ticket or run for President on her own.  She's like most politicians are good at squandering money without suffering any repercussions.  Think of the amount of money she's squandered over the past 10 years.  What does it matter if you are losing 900k in television revenue when you don't put that money to good use to begin with.


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Reply #74 on: June 10, 2016, 06:45:41 pm
Judy Rose should try to get on Hilary's ticket or run for President on her own.  She's like most politicians are good at squandering money without suffering any repercussions.  Think of the amount of money she's squandered over the past 10 years.  What does it matter if you are losing 900k in television revenue when you don't put that money to good use to begin with.

I noticed the similarities between those 2 a few months ago and wondered if they were related. 
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