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Reply #50 on: March 22, 2017, 11:52:04 am
^I'd like a stadium expansion as well.

But to your point, we do a pretty bad job of getting people in the stadium. It would be nice if we would prioritize that first.


At the parade saturday one of the IMG ticket guys was there.  He was handing out vouchers to the spring game, so that was a great idea.  The bad is that even though I told the AD there would be 100K people there, we ran out of vouchers way early.  It's a great idea though and hopefully gets some new folks in the stadium


On another note I explained to him about CFI.  He had never heard the story and said this is a great story, why don't we talk about it?  It would sell tickets and encourage donors!  I said I don't know, you will have to ask Judy that.
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Reply #51 on: March 22, 2017, 11:52:41 am
Why are we spending money on hitting facilities when we still have the smallest football stadium in FBS???!

I'm more concerned about actually filling said stadium. I hate seeing stadiums that are twice as big as the number of people actually in attendance.

Don't take this as me being against stadium expansion, I am pro expansion, but I don't believe we'd come close to filling it, and it'd look bad.

We have discussed this is many many many many other threads and times, I'm not going to get into again, my opinion is we should not have the smallest FBS stadium, I also think if we had an AD that knew how to sell it wouldn't be empty.  It is looking more and more like the current AD is not going to tackle stadium expansion, which I think is a mistake, we can agree to disagree on this one.


I'd like to add that expansion would produce more quality seating. I can't stress this enough. More seats along the 50 would sell tickets. I actually prefer to sit higher up, and would jump at the opportunity to lock up those seats.



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Reply #52 on: March 22, 2017, 12:02:09 pm
Why are we spending money on hitting facilities when we still have the smallest football stadium in FBS???!

I'm more concerned about actually filling said stadium. I hate seeing stadiums that are twice as big as the number of people actually in attendance.

Don't take this as me being against stadium expansion, I am pro expansion, but I don't believe we'd come close to filling it, and it'd look bad.

We have discussed this is many many many many other threads and times, I'm not going to get into again, my opinion is we should not have the smallest FBS stadium, I also think if we had an AD that knew how to sell it wouldn't be empty.  It is looking more and more like the current AD is not going to tackle stadium expansion, which I think is a mistake, we can agree to disagree on this one.


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Reply #53 on: March 22, 2017, 12:05:31 pm
Why are we spending money on hitting facilities when we still have the smallest football stadium in FBS???!

I'm more concerned about actually filling said stadium. I hate seeing stadiums that are twice as big as the number of people actually in attendance.

Don't take this as me being against stadium expansion, I am pro expansion, but I don't believe we'd come close to filling it, and it'd look bad.

We have discussed this is many many many many other threads and times, I'm not going to get into again, my opinion is we should not have the smallest FBS stadium, I also think if we had an AD that knew how to sell it wouldn't be empty.  It is looking more and more like the current AD is not going to tackle stadium expansion, which I think is a mistake, we can agree to disagree on this one.


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Reply #54 on: March 22, 2017, 01:13:37 pm
This is a good start, but I like Hibbs's philosophy of two good one bad, along with the good things are happening what are we doing poorly and what is the plan to improve upon our shortcomings.

Also I am a little worried as well that stadium expansion is off the table with her. She has said things in the past about filling up the existing seating first, if that is the case then the first, second, third, and fourth priority of the AD should be how to drive demand so that it is required. I can understand not addressing it in the first newsletter, but we need to know the plan to get the stadium expanded.
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Reply #55 on: March 22, 2017, 01:36:05 pm
^I'd like a stadium expansion as well.

But to your point, we do a pretty bad job of getting people in the stadium. It would be nice if we would prioritize that first.


At the parade saturday one of the IMG ticket guys was there.  He was handing out vouchers to the spring game, so that was a great idea.  The bad is that even though I told the AD there would be 100K people there, we ran out of vouchers way early.  It's a great idea though and hopefully gets some new folks in the stadium


On another note I explained to him about CFI.  He had never heard the story and said this is a great story, why don't we talk about it?  It would sell tickets and encourage donors!  I said I don't know, you will have to ask Judy that.
I hope they can and do track those vouchers.  I am sure most of those people have never been to a game and probably have never been on campus, so it would be good to know how many show up.  If they have to exchange the voucher for a ticket and we can somehow get contact information on them that would be a touchdown.
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Reply #56 on: March 22, 2017, 02:03:09 pm
^I'd like a stadium expansion as well.

But to your point, we do a pretty bad job of getting people in the stadium. It would be nice if we would prioritize that first.


At the parade saturday one of the IMG ticket guys was there.  He was handing out vouchers to the spring game, so that was a great idea.  The bad is that even though I told the AD there would be 100K people there, we ran out of vouchers way early.  It's a great idea though and hopefully gets some new folks in the stadium


On another note I explained to him about CFI.  He had never heard the story and said this is a great story, why don't we talk about it?  It would sell tickets and encourage donors!  I said I don't know, you will have to ask Judy that.
I hope they can and do track those vouchers.  I am sure most of those people have never been to a game and probably have never been on campus, so it would be good to know how many show up.  If they have to exchange the voucher for a ticket and we can somehow get contact information on them that would be a touchdown.


They can and do.  He mentioned they had handed them out at something in Harrisburg (because our AD I think sometimes thinks our name is UNC Harrisburg) and said that they could see how many were used.  The voucher isn't even 1:1 - its 1:how ever many tickets you want.  I think there is like a $5 processing fee or something.  Either way a great idea.  Just need the AD to think bigger and get engaged with the city.  Ticket guy was blown away at all he stuff we were talking about.  The AD is so disconnected from the city and events it's not even funny.



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Reply #57 on: March 22, 2017, 02:40:27 pm
clt says we need to announce plans for the fb expansion. this would help

-increase momentum
-recruiting
- the perception that you cannot get a seat at the rich
- fundraising


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Reply #58 on: March 22, 2017, 02:50:28 pm
Harrisburg was the fourth of July parade.


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Reply #59 on: March 22, 2017, 03:13:56 pm
Why are we spending money on hitting facilities when we still have the smallest football stadium in FBS???!

I'm more concerned about actually filling said stadium. I hate seeing stadiums that are twice as big as the number of people actually in attendance.

Don't take this as me being against stadium expansion, I am pro expansion, but I don't believe we'd come close to filling it, and it'd look bad.

We have discussed this is many many many many other threads and times, I'm not going to get into again, my opinion is we should not have the smallest FBS stadium, I also think if we had an AD that knew how to sell it wouldn't be empty.  It is looking more and more like the current AD is not going to tackle stadium expansion, which I think is a mistake, we can agree to disagree on this one.


"We will also be adding another women's sport shortly and we continue to look at ways to upgrade our current sports, up to and including stadium expansion."------Judy Rose

Ha ha, ok... I continue to look at ways I can be a millionaire.... big whip...


Apparently you don't know how our AD (and Judy Rose in particular) operates. If she even hints at something being a possibility, it is most likely a done deal. She would never broach the subject if she didn't plan on following through. 
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Reply #60 on: March 22, 2017, 03:16:16 pm
Why are we spending money on hitting facilities when we still have the smallest football stadium in FBS???!

I'm more concerned about actually filling said stadium. I hate seeing stadiums that are twice as big as the number of people actually in attendance.

Don't take this as me being against stadium expansion, I am pro expansion, but I don't believe we'd come close to filling it, and it'd look bad.

We have discussed this is many many many many other threads and times, I'm not going to get into again, my opinion is we should not have the smallest FBS stadium, I also think if we had an AD that knew how to sell it wouldn't be empty.  It is looking more and more like the current AD is not going to tackle stadium expansion, which I think is a mistake, we can agree to disagree on this one.


"We will also be adding another women's sport shortly and we continue to look at ways to upgrade our current sports, up to and including stadium expansion."------Judy Rose

Ha ha, ok... I continue to look at ways I can be a millionaire.... big whip...


Apparently you don't know how our AD (and Judy Rose in particular) operates. If she even hints at something being a possibility, it is most likely a done deal. She would never broach the subject if she didn't plan on following through.




Except for getting MBB back to the NCAAs, still waiting on that one.


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Reply #61 on: March 22, 2017, 03:17:41 pm
Why are we spending money on hitting facilities when we still have the smallest football stadium in FBS???!

I'm more concerned about actually filling said stadium. I hate seeing stadiums that are twice as big as the number of people actually in attendance.

Don't take this as me being against stadium expansion, I am pro expansion, but I don't believe we'd come close to filling it, and it'd look bad.

We have discussed this is many many many many other threads and times, I'm not going to get into again, my opinion is we should not have the smallest FBS stadium, I also think if we had an AD that knew how to sell it wouldn't be empty.  It is looking more and more like the current AD is not going to tackle stadium expansion, which I think is a mistake, we can agree to disagree on this one.


"We will also be adding another women's sport shortly and we continue to look at ways to upgrade our current sports, up to and including stadium expansion."------Judy Rose

Ha ha, ok... I continue to look at ways I can be a millionaire.... big whip...


Apparently you don't know how our AD (and Judy Rose in particular) operates. If she even hints at something being a possibility, it is most likely a done deal. She would never broach the subject if she didn't plan on following through.




Except for getting MBB back to the NCAAs, still waiting on that one.


On the court performance is obviously a different animal.


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Reply #62 on: March 22, 2017, 03:33:40 pm

Apparently you don't know how our AD (and Judy Rose in particular) operates. If she even hints at something being a possibility, it is most likely a done deal. She would never broach the subject if she didn't plan on following through.


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Reply #63 on: March 22, 2017, 04:15:12 pm
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.
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Reply #64 on: March 22, 2017, 04:17:21 pm
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Apparently you don't know how our AD (and Judy Rose in particular) operates. If she even hints at something being a possibility, it is most likely a done deal. She would never broach the subject if she didn't plan on following through.

History proves you are correct. That type of guarded politics is old school. I understand it, but its frustrating for a beaten fanbase looking for something to cling to.

That said, despite all the other gloom and doom talk, can I just say that I feel like football is really trying to build a brand, an identity, and I think it's working. I really like their approach. The missing piece is on field results, but I think these will come based on the brand we are building. A winning season will be like lighter fluid on the #rocksolid bonfire.
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Reply #65 on: March 22, 2017, 04:39:03 pm
A winning season will be like lighter fluid on the #rocksolid bonfire.

This.  And i hope they have the stadium expansion news ready when the lighter fluid hits the bonfire.
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Reply #66 on: March 22, 2017, 07:05:54 pm
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.

"Hiring competent people" - The coaches Judy has hired have not been successful In 10+ years.

"Selling and building program" - attendance is down

So you agree she has failed at 2 of the 3 things you mentioned. How is that not a reason to fire someone in a results oriented job?


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Reply #67 on: March 22, 2017, 08:04:47 pm
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.
There's like eight instances of nepotism in the AD (including Foundation), many positions at the highest level, several of those individuals holding their position while under-performing for more than a decade. To me, that speaks to surrounding oneself with beholden Yes-people, not seeking the most qualified competent people.  You can't honestly and fairly evaluate the performance of subordinates when you have to take into consideration what the loss of their spouse or relative would mean to the department if that poorly-performing subordinate were to be terminated.


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Reply #68 on: March 22, 2017, 08:14:07 pm
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.
There's like eight instances of nepotism in the AD (including Foundation), many positions at the highest level, several of those individuals holding their position while under-performing for more than a decade. To me, that speaks to surrounding oneself with beholden Yes-people, not seeking the most qualified competent people.  You can't honestly and fairly evaluate the performance of subordinates when you have to take into consideration what the loss of their spouse or relative would mean to the department if that poorly-performing subordinate were to be terminated.


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Reply #69 on: March 22, 2017, 08:29:32 pm
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.
There's like eight instances of nepotism in the AD (including Foundation), many positions at the highest level, several of those individuals holding their position while under-performing for more than a decade. To me, that speaks to surrounding oneself with beholden Yes-people, not seeking the most qualified competent people.  You can't honestly and fairly evaluate the performance of subordinates when you have to take into consideration what the loss of their spouse or relative would mean to the department if that poorly-performing subordinate were to be terminated.


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Reply #70 on: March 23, 2017, 07:27:45 am
 Damn I'm glad someone finally touched on that one !

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Reply #71 on: March 23, 2017, 08:50:03 am
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.

"Hiring competent people" - The coaches Judy has hired have not been successful In 10+ years.

"Selling and building program" - attendance is down

So you agree she has failed at 2 of the 3 things you mentioned. How is that not a reason to fire someone in a results oriented job?

I'm not saying she shouldn't be gone, because of failure listed above.   I'm saying if the game is lost it's not her fault.  To make an example in a bubble, if we draw 6000 folks to the Knights stadium and lose to State 16-1, she has succeeded in doing her job (that night).

I'm ready for Judy to be gone, but in my opinion, she gets blamed for things she has no control over.
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Reply #72 on: March 23, 2017, 09:07:47 am
Well, she finally has a nice haircut.


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Reply #73 on: March 23, 2017, 09:49:46 am
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.

"Hiring competent people" - The coaches Judy has hired have not been successful In 10+ years.

"Selling and building program" - attendance is down

So you agree she has failed at 2 of the 3 things you mentioned. How is that not a reason to fire someone in a results oriented job?

I'm not saying she shouldn't be gone, because of failure listed above.   I'm saying if the game is lost it's not her fault.  To make an example in a bubble, if we draw 6000 folks to the Knights stadium and lose to State 16-1, she has succeeded in doing her job (that night).

I'm ready for Judy to be gone, but in my opinion, she gets blamed for things she has no control over.


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Reply #74 on: March 23, 2017, 10:35:11 am
Winning is part of the AD's job right? And they should be held accountable correct? Basketball/football has been bad the last 10 years. That's a long time considering the "good ol days".

Not sure I get anything from this at all. She should send this out and it be the norm. I don't claim to know all the parts of the AD's job but winning and fan support for basketball and football has to be up there. She's in too many wallets/purses. The AD and coach get paid a lot of money for RESULTS! This isn't volunteer work. You win and have success or you get fired, period.

Oh well... Go niners!

I'm sure I going against the grain here, but winning isn't the AD's job.
Putting competent people in place, selling and building the program, and keeping the program clean are the AD's job.
I'm not saying that she hasn't failed miserable in the first and second items, but Spears, Harris and Dewhurst missing 3 free throws in the last 42 seconds of a game against Richmond that cost Bobby Lutz 20 wins, a trip to the NIT and likely his job isn't Judy's fault.

"Hiring competent people" - The coaches Judy has hired have not been successful In 10+ years.

"Selling and building program" - attendance is down

So you agree she has failed at 2 of the 3 things you mentioned. How is that not a reason to fire someone in a results oriented job?

I'm not saying she shouldn't be gone, because of failure listed above.   I'm saying if the game is lost it's not her fault.  To make an example in a bubble, if we draw 6000 folks to the Knights stadium and lose to State 16-1, she has succeeded in doing her job (that night).

I'm ready for Judy to be gone, but in my opinion, she gets blamed for things she has no control over.
the knights are the one that started the college series at the uptown stadium. They're the ones promoting it in uptown, at games and with sponsored posts on Facebook.

Not sure just would be the most appropriate person to give credit to if 6000 people show up.

I get your larger point and mostly agree, but the knights example is a poor one.


 

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