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on: July 18, 2017, 04:02:19 pm
August is right around the corner so I thought I'd start some football discussion.

Overall last season was a bit of a disappointment. Part of it was starting the wrong QB for half the season. I think finally we have a QB we can win some games with.

Anyway here is how I expect the position groups to shake out:

QB: Klugh is the man moving forward. I've heard he's improved a lot especially with accuracy. Also heard he's trying to add some weight to prevent injury from scrambling/running. With the spread offense we run, Klugh is the best pure fit for our system that we've ever had. Barden is the backup and had a really good spring so hopefully he'll be a solid #2.


RB: I expect us to be strong here with Washington & Lemay splitting reps. I think they are perfect compliments with Washington being the bruiser and Lemay being more elusive and more involved in the pass game. Don't be surprised if Lemay is the starter, at this point he may be our most complete RB. #3 on the depth chart we have former safety Markevis Davis who might become a 3rd down back with more polished receiving skills.


WR: Our most experienced position group and probably our strongest. Ford and Kofa are upperclassmen now and had much more success with Klugh at the helm. Trent Bostic also returns after redshirting and seemed to be Klugh's go to guy in the spring game. Austin Duke will be hard to replace in the slot. Montgomery/Quattlebaum/Mullen will compete for time there.


TE: Our least experienced position group. RJ Tyler and juco transfer Ryan Eachus will share time here. Also wouldn't be surprised if someone else steps up. Probably our most uncertain position group on offense.


OL: We're probably looking at a starting five of LT Chris Brown, LG juco Jalen Allen, C Juco Jean Eason, RG Nate Davis, RT Eugene German. Our key reserves will be T Cam Clark, G Zacherl, and C Drake. I know many are worried about losses along the line but I expect veteran OL coach Atkins to turn this into a solid and cohesive unit.


DB: This should become the strongest group on defense with Deluca and Rolle at safety. Juco Marquavis Gibbs will step in at corner with Covington and Irvin. I've heard Gibbs is actually pretty good. The safeties though are what makes this our best unit on D.


LB: Karrington King could have an all conference type year at inside backer (will also become our all time leading tackler). Tyriq Harris and Jeff Gemmel are also solid players who I expect to improve. Overall a solid group.


DL: We've now reached the red flag portion of the program. DE Nick Carroll is the only returning starter and he's got limited upside. Tim Horne, Tyler Fain, Austin Pariason could be the guys to step up at interior spots. These guys have no experience so it's gonna be a rough start along the Dline. Randy Suydam, will hopefully be back after missing spring ball to start at the other DE spot. Overall a really young and inexperienced group that will undoubtedly be our weakest position group on the whole team.


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Kicker- Jackson Vansickle
Punter- Arthur Hart
KO returner- Anthony Covington
P returner - Nate Mullen



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Reply #1 on: July 18, 2017, 04:42:46 pm
I talked to a former player recently and he thinks we will win 2-4 games based on lack of experience, harder schedule, and a disaster of a OC.  He thinks our OC should be at 1AA level.  He told me that over the past two years that other teams would be calling out the plays before we snapped the ball


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Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 05:34:52 pm
I talked to a former player recently and he thinks we will win 2-4 games based on lack of experience, harder schedule, and a disaster of a OC.  He thinks our OC should be at 1AA level.  He told me that over the past two years that other teams would be calling out the plays before we snapped the ball

clt says we don't have plays.


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Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 06:44:52 pm
I talked to a former player recently and he thinks we will win 2-4 games based on lack of experience, harder schedule, and a disaster of a OC.  He thinks our OC should be at 1AA level.  He told me that over the past two years that other teams would be calling out the plays before we snapped the ball
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Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 06:53:26 pm
I talked to a former player recently and he thinks we will win 2-4 games based on lack of experience, harder schedule, and a disaster of a OC.  He thinks our OC should be at 1AA level.  He told me that over the past two years that other teams would be calling out the plays before we snapped the ball

I have defended Mullen, but I have to say I have sat through games in which 3 of us (on the board) called out 50-60% of our plays before we snapped the ball.  And we're just guys.

I do have to say it was worse this past year. I'm trying to be an optimist and blame it on our personel issues at QB and O-line relative to our competition. Unfortunately with the personel we had, in not sure what else he could have called.  That excuse expires this year though. It's put up or pack up for Mullen this year.
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Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 05:04:11 pm
Great breakdown by BL_Niner. Think he nailed every position group - though are we really certain @ Kicker? Also, you don't see any freshmen breaking into the 2 deep?

Not a Jeff Mullen fan at OC, but he has about as complete of an offensive roster as we will likely have, so it's do or die this year on that side of the ball. If the offense struggles, it's largely on him.

That D line - there are a lot of names and an equal number of unknowns.





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Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 06:08:59 pm
Also, you don't see any freshmen breaking into the 2 deep?

Good question thta I was thinking about too.  I like our incoming class and see a few that could do this or start by the end of years.  I like Dmitri Emmanuel a lot.

Does anybody have a link to the video that they did of all the recruits on signing day press conference?  There one guy who seems to be a beast...Sherard Sutton?


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Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 07:22:29 pm
Great breakdown by BL_Niner. Think he nailed every position group - though are we really certain @ Kicker? Also, you don't see any freshmen breaking into the 2 deep?

Not a Jeff Mullen fan at OC, but he has about as complete of an offensive roster as we will likely have, so it's do or die this year on that side of the ball. If the offense struggles, it's largely on him.

That D line - there are a lot of names and an equal number of unknowns.


I mostly agree with BL.  I don't think the DB's are as good as he thinks, I don't think the WR's are as good as he thinks and I think the DL will be improved spread out through the positions and depth (we're not just Larry anymore)..


Hover, I do think the east has gotten better than us and I think this will be a growing up year.  I believe we will improve, but not have tangible results in the standings.


I do think that the training wheels are off in 2018 and I'll endure this season to get to that one.
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Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 09:05:29 pm
I think we're OK at Safety. Lot of question marks at DL, LB and CB.


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Reply #10 on: July 19, 2017, 09:27:02 pm
I think that was an excellent breakdown. I agree with almost every point but would like to pose a few questions.

- While the DL appears to be the weakest returning group, some of our highest rated recruits were on the DL this year. Will any of these freshmen be able to step in immediately and contribute?

- Will the questions on the DL and the strong secondary allow us to blitz more or will we play zone predominantly like we did the second half of last year?

- Will a QB that is perfect for his system, an excellent 1-2 punch at RB, a senior laden WR corps, and an underrated OL allow Mullen to deliver a potent offense?

- If not how much longer can he stick around?

- Will our ST be able to get us a couple of close victories and get us to a bowl, or keep us from it? (FIU and Rice LY)

I think EMU will be an excellent gauge for what we can expect this year. If we can get a W there this could be a fun ride.



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Reply #11 on: July 19, 2017, 09:39:37 pm
If the offense under performs this year, you have to think Mullen is gone.


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Reply #12 on: July 20, 2017, 08:31:12 am
Great breakdown by BL_Niner. Think he nailed every position group - though are we really certain @ Kicker? Also, you don't see any freshmen breaking into the 2 deep?

Not a Jeff Mullen fan at OC, but he has about as complete of an offensive roster as we will likely have, so it's do or die this year on that side of the ball. If the offense struggles, it's largely on him.

That D line - there are a lot of names and an equal number of unknowns.

Forgot to mention Memphis transfer Nigel Macauley will compete at kicker.

As far as true freshman playing, I would say Cam Bent at slot has a chance with his elite speed, Maybe Kameron Duncan at RB. Michael Adams at DT might have a chance because of his size but playing true freshman on Dline is pretty rare.
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Reply #13 on: July 20, 2017, 09:19:07 am

P returner - Nate Mullen

Do we not have anyone on the roster better? I know he is a coach's son and all. I'm having nightmares from last season (especially the ODU game) when a good return was simply not turning the ball over. Forget about many yards after the catch.


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Reply #14 on: July 20, 2017, 11:52:39 am

P returner - Nate Mullen

Do we not have anyone on the roster better? I know he is a coach's son and all. I'm having nightmares from last season (especially the ODU game) when a good return was simply not turning the ball over. Forget about many yards after the catch.

So long as our HC keeps instituting his "no fair catches" policy, the best we can hope for on punt returns in that A: the guy holds onto the ball, and B: he doesn't receive brain trauma in the process.

My conspiracy theory is that this is the reason Austin Duke stopped returning punts, he refused to go along with the No Fair Catch policy.


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Reply #15 on: July 20, 2017, 03:53:57 pm

P returner - Nate Mullen

Do we not have anyone on the roster better? I know he is a coach's son and all. I'm having nightmares from last season (especially the ODU game) when a good return was simply not turning the ball over. Forget about many yards after the catch.

So long as our HC keeps instituting his "no fair catches" policy, the best we can hope for on punt returns in that A: the guy holds onto the ball, and B: he doesn't receive brain trauma in the process.

My conspiracy theory is that this is the reason Austin Duke stopped returning punts, he refused to go along with the No Fair Catch policy.


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Reply #16 on: July 20, 2017, 04:58:29 pm
Sad seeing us projected last in the East in our 5th year, though not really surprising, logically. How many years does this staff get? Will there be progress? We should have won 6 games last year and gone bowling. We're mired. I'm sad.
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Reply #17 on: July 20, 2017, 07:29:45 pm
I hate to call for anyone's job, but I can't see Mullen here next year. It may be more of a debate of if he makes it through this season.

I go back and forth on Lambert. I think this year has to be make or break for Mullen and/or Lambert.  I think we have really been hurt by the turnover at our recruiting coordinator position (albiet, not to anyones fault).

With all that said, I'm cautiously optimistic heading into the season.
 
This is our first year we are going into the season with a solid, known commodity at the QB position with Klugh and Barden. Love Matt Johnson, but he was never consistant enough and KO was an unknown at this time last year.  I like the majority of our offense. Skill positions are the best all around/depth in our program's history despite losing KP and Duke. I think our OL can be solid.

I do worry about our defense. Im not sure we have a solid unit between LBs, DL, or DBs. I could see two of these units stepping up, and would be surprised to see our DL be one of those. I hope to be wrong about all of these points though. I really like some of our individual players on D.


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Reply #19 on: July 21, 2017, 11:34:03 am
Sad seeing us projected last in the East in our 5th year, though not really surprising, logically. How many years does this staff get? Will there be progress? We should have won 6 games last year and gone bowling. We're mired. I'm sad.


How the heck are we "mired'? We lost 2 late 4th quarter leads which cost us 2 wins last season. We were literally 4 points (2 losses by 1 point each IIRC) away from being 6-6/5-3, in a bowl game and we all would have been thrilled and excited heading into this season, even with the personnel losses.....Before anyone states the obvious (that we did NOT go 6-6) I realize it, but clearly we were very respectable for our 2nd season of FBS, 1st of bowl eligibility, 4th season playing at all.


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Reply #20 on: July 21, 2017, 11:38:39 am
Sad seeing us projected last in the East in our 5th year, though not really surprising, logically. How many years does this staff get? Will there be progress? We should have won 6 games last year and gone bowling. We're mired. I'm sad.


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Reply #21 on: July 21, 2017, 11:52:48 am
Sad seeing us projected last in the East in our 5th year, though not really surprising, logically. How many years does this staff get? Will there be progress? We should have won 6 games last year and gone bowling. We're mired. I'm sad.


How the heck are we "mired'? We lost 2 late 4th quarter leads which cost us 2 wins last season. We were literally 4 points (2 losses by 1 point each IIRC) away from being 6-6/5-3, in a bowl game and we all would have been thrilled and excited heading into this season, even with the personnel losses.....Before anyone states the obvious (that we did NOT go 6-6) I realize it, but clearly we were very respectable for our 2nd season of FBS, 1st of bowl eligibility, 4th season playing at all.
Didn't we have at least one or two close wins as well?


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Reply #22 on: July 21, 2017, 01:08:44 pm
Sad seeing us projected last in the East in our 5th year, though not really surprising, logically. How many years does this staff get? Will there be progress? We should have won 6 games last year and gone bowling. We're mired. I'm sad.


How the heck are we "mired'? We lost 2 late 4th quarter leads which cost us 2 wins last season. We were literally 4 points (2 losses by 1 point each IIRC) away from being 6-6/5-3, in a bowl game and we all would have been thrilled and excited heading into this season, even with the personnel losses.....Before anyone states the obvious (that we did NOT go 6-6) I realize it, but clearly we were very respectable for our 2nd season of FBS, 1st of bowl eligibility, 4th season playing at all.
Didn't we have at least one or two close wins as well?


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