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Reply #25 on: January 07, 2016, 06:03:52 pm
I will kind of disagree.  That FAU game was my favorite game of the season. I feel like the crowd bonded and it was fun.  We also has 17000 announced. 

The Temple game might have drawn 16000 without the rain.

If we could have held on against ODU, I think that we would have sold out the rest of the season.  The butt-kicking kept people away from USTA.

I liked the FAU game as well. I saw a ton of empty seats though. I think the rain kept away a lot of casual to mid level fans. I saw lots of dedicated fans there but it wasn't close to full from what I saw. It seemed about 75% to me at the start and went down steadily. But I'm probably wrong.

The point I was making that for the fan on the fence, the take it or leave it fan, that was not a good game to attend. They didn't want to face the rain.


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Reply #26 on: January 07, 2016, 07:02:11 pm
I will kind of disagree.  That FAU game was my favorite game of the season. I feel like the crowd bonded and it was fun.  We also has 17000 announced. 

The Temple game might have drawn 16000 without the rain.

If we could have held on against ODU, I think that we would have sold out the rest of the season.  The butt-kicking kept people away from USTA.

I liked the FAU game as well. I saw a ton of empty seats though. I think the rain kept away a lot of casual to mid level fans. I saw lots of dedicated fans there but it wasn't close to full from what I saw. It seemed about 75% to me at the start and went down steadily. But I'm probably wrong.

The point I was making that for the fan on the fence, the take it or leave it fan, that was not a good game to attend. They didn't want to face the rain.




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Reply #27 on: January 08, 2016, 08:39:57 am
Spending money to promote a losing product is throwing money away. Nobody wants to engage with a loser.

I did not say to spend money to support a losing product, I said to spend money to enhance the gameday experience. 

Going to a football game is not like going to a basketball game or a baseball game.  If done right...it's a full game day experience with a party like/festive atmosphere. The pageantry, electricity, fellowship and comradery is what brings out college football fans moreso than winning.  Winning helps take it to another level....but if the gameday experience is special, people will come to be a part of it win or lose.

Then.....that actual fan support is more of a selling point to a recruit than just having a large stadium with empty seats.
People with NO previous connection to the school are unlikely (for the most part) to care about a "full game day experience" atleast initially. You must first get people to the game (market, market, market) and have MORE than enough seats to sell. Stadium size (or lack thereof) IS a huge hindrance(sp?) to this program right now.


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Reply #28 on: January 08, 2016, 09:01:56 am
Spending money to promote a losing product is throwing money away. Nobody wants to engage with a loser.

I did not say to spend money to support a losing product, I said to spend money to enhance the gameday experience. 

Going to a football game is not like going to a basketball game or a baseball game.  If done right...it's a full game day experience with a party like/festive atmosphere. The pageantry, electricity, fellowship and comradery is what brings out college football fans moreso than winning.  Winning helps take it to another level....but if the gameday experience is special, people will come to be a part of it win or lose.

Then.....that actual fan support is more of a selling point to a recruit than just having a large stadium with empty seats.
People with NO previous connection to the school are unlikely (for the most part) to care about a "full game day experience" atleast initially. You must first get people to the game (market, market, market) and have MORE than enough seats to sell. Stadium size (or lack thereof) IS a huge hindrance(sp?) to this program right now.
It must be affordable to get the casual fans and the community involved.  I know there were some ticket specials for Young Alumni etc, but they were not advertised well.  Endzone seats should be dirt cheap family packs, etc and they should be advertising those type tickets now.  They should have all their ticket deals and specials ready to go by the Spring game at the latest and make a hard push there.


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Reply #29 on: January 08, 2016, 09:05:58 am
I will kind of disagree.  That FAU game was my favorite game of the season. I feel like the crowd bonded and it was fun.  We also has 17000 announced. 

The Temple game might have drawn 16000 without the rain.

If we could have held on against ODU, I think that we would have sold out the rest of the season.  The butt-kicking kept people away from USTA.

I liked the FAU game as well. I saw a ton of empty seats though. I think the rain kept away a lot of casual to mid level fans. I saw lots of dedicated fans there but it wasn't close to full from what I saw. It seemed about 75% to me at the start and went down steadily. But I'm probably wrong.

The point I was making that for the fan on the fence, the take it or leave it fan, that was not a good game to attend. They didn't want to face the rain.




It was full the whole 2nd quarter and then people slowly left from halftime on.


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Reply #30 on: January 08, 2016, 09:20:05 am
People hung in through the steady rain, it was the torrential downpour at the start of the third sent people scurrying. I was surprised at the lively tailgate, everyone was partying down despite the rain (and I'm sure the bookstore made tons of money with tents and tent accessories  ;) ).


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Reply #31 on: January 08, 2016, 09:22:06 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?






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Reply #32 on: January 08, 2016, 09:28:39 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?
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Reply #33 on: January 08, 2016, 09:52:47 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games.

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Reply #34 on: January 08, 2016, 10:06:38 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?
Good post. I agree with all of it EXCEPT the "App - big time feel" part. NOTHING about App seems "big time" to me, including their stadium. yes, it feels "bigger" because of the upper deck and press box, but "big time" no.....not to me anyway.


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Reply #35 on: January 08, 2016, 10:52:16 am
Good post. I agree with all of it EXCEPT the "App - big time feel" part. NOTHING about App seems "big time" to me, including their stadium. yes, it feels "bigger" because of the upper deck and press box, but "big time" no.....not to me anyway.


Yes definitely not big time SEC level feel but you feel like they have committed to getting as many fans in their stadium as possible. Our football fan base will grow with wins and I would rather have the capacity to accommodate these folks rather than leave them out. Our AD has already alienated enough possible fans and nothing is worse than not being able for them to get a ticket when they want to come  back.




Just talking about all of this makes me even more pissed off at our AD, if that was even possible.


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Reply #36 on: January 08, 2016, 10:53:48 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?
Free beer?  Yes please.


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Reply #37 on: January 08, 2016, 05:06:35 pm

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?
Good post. I agree with all of it EXCEPT the "App - big time feel" part. NOTHING about App seems "big time" to me, including their stadium. yes, it feels "bigger" because of the upper deck and press box, but "big time" no.....not to me anyway.

Agree that the small stadium size can hurt us from a recruiting standpoint.  And although I feel App's stadium is nowhere close to "big time", I feel it seems much more "big time" than ours.  The "big time" appearance would make a difference to me if I was a high recruit.  Sadly, the leaders at App seem to have figured this out while our AD and Chancellor seem to have no clue.  Some times I think our AD holds a grudge because of being forced to start football. 


 
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Reply #38 on: January 08, 2016, 05:12:40 pm
The difference between us and APP is that we built our stadium the right way - all of our seats are right on the field - no stupid track.

That closed in effect will be even more intimidating when we add upper decks. With a healthy crowd, it will be loud as hell based on the sunken & mostly closed configuration. Awesome home field advantage.

Just another reason I want to expand. But we have to come up with a marketing plan to sell those seats to make it work.
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Reply #39 on: January 08, 2016, 09:28:06 pm
The difference between us and APP is that we built our stadium the right way - all of our seats are right on the field - no stupid track.

That closed in effect will be even more intimidating when we add upper decks. With a healthy crowd, it will be loud as hell based on the sunken & mostly closed configuration. Awesome home field advantage.

Just another reason I want to expand. But we have to come up with a marketing plan to sell those seats to make it work.

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Reply #40 on: January 08, 2016, 10:38:24 pm
The difference between us and APP is that we built our stadium the right way - all of our seats are right on the field - no stupid track.

That closed in effect will be even more intimidating when we add upper decks. With a healthy crowd, it will be loud as hell based on the sunken & mostly closed configuration. Awesome home field advantage.

Just another reason I want to expand. But we have to come up with a marketing plan to sell those seats to make it work.


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Step 1. Win games

Step 2.  Have everything in place so that when we do win, we can accommodate our fans wanting to see us play.  This is the step that worries me.  I'm afraid the AD will be out to lunch.


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Reply #41 on: January 09, 2016, 09:10:22 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?
Good post. I agree with all of it EXCEPT the "App - big time feel" part. NOTHING about App seems "big time" to me, including their stadium. yes, it feels "bigger" because of the upper deck and press box, but "big time" no.....not to me anyway.

Agree that the small stadium size can hurt us from a recruiting standpoint.  And although I feel App's stadium is nowhere close to "big time", I feel it seems much more "big time" than ours.  The "big time" appearance would make a difference to me if I was a high recruit.  Sadly, the leaders at App seem to have figured this out while our AD and Chancellor seem to have no clue.  Some times I think our AD holds a grudge because of being forced to start football.


We have ONLY played 3 seasons.. Student attendance opened up more seats. Last year was very good with two rainy night games and a 2-10 season. We just need to build on that and as most on here have said winning will help considerably.


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Reply #42 on: January 09, 2016, 10:55:43 am

I still don't understand how expansion is a pressing need if there's no demand for the extra seats? 

And stop with the recruiting argument. Recruits don't follow stadium size (see the tweet that started this thread....our facilities are a recruiting advantage as is).  This is another example of how size is not as important as most like to believe.  But if it is...is there a formula?  20,000 seats=4 star recruits and 6+ wins. 40,000 seats=5 star recruits and 10+wins?  Hell..if so...let's expand to a 200,000 seat stadium and get every 10 star recruit in the galaxy and win 50 games per year!!!



Everyone knows that isn't how it works. I follow football recruiting as much as anyone on this board and the stadium having a big time feel does matter to recruits. It's not the number 1 priority for most but playing in something bigger than high school stadiums is still important. Going to 20K to 22K isn't going to break the bank and would satisfy any extra demand for some of the bigger games. App's stadium has a big time feel and seats 23-24K, perfect size.


Also, you talk about investing the money in other gameday experiences. Do you really trust our AD to execute these "experiences" properly and to use that money in a meaningful/impactful a way? The band needs to grow but other than that what else should we do? Hand out free beer?
Good post. I agree with all of it EXCEPT the "App - big time feel" part. NOTHING about App seems "big time" to me, including their stadium. yes, it feels "bigger" because of the upper deck and press box, but "big time" no.....not to me anyway.

Agree that the small stadium size can hurt us from a recruiting standpoint.  And although I feel App's stadium is nowhere close to "big time", I feel it seems much more "big time" than ours.  The "big time" appearance would make a difference to me if I was a high recruit.  Sadly, the leaders at App seem to have figured this out while our AD and Chancellor seem to have no clue.  Some times I think our AD holds a grudge because of being forced to start football.


We have ONLY played 3 seasons.. Student attendance opened up more seats. Last year was very good with two rainy night games and a 2-10 season. We just need to build on that and as most on here have said winning will help considerably.

I think my biggest question is if we have a PLAN IN PLACE to handle a high demand for tickets.  WINNING will probably open up all kinds of possibilities, including the potential for new fans;  including both alums and non-alums. 

     

 
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Reply #43 on: January 09, 2016, 01:14:02 pm
i hope we expand the stadium before App State comes in a few years


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Reply #44 on: January 11, 2016, 11:10:40 am
The difference between us and APP is that we built our stadium the right way - all of our seats are right on the field - no stupid track.

That closed in effect will be even more intimidating when we add upper decks. With a healthy crowd, it will be loud as hell based on the sunken & mostly closed configuration. Awesome home field advantage.

Just another reason I want to expand. But we have to come up with a marketing plan to sell those seats to make it work.

MARKETING PLAN
Step 1. Win games


Why do we have a Marketing Department then?


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Reply #45 on: January 11, 2016, 12:37:11 pm
The difference between us and APP is that we built our stadium the right way - all of our seats are right on the field - no stupid track.

That closed in effect will be even more intimidating when we add upper decks. With a healthy crowd, it will be loud as hell based on the sunken & mostly closed configuration. Awesome home field advantage.

Just another reason I want to expand. But we have to come up with a marketing plan to sell those seats to make it work.

MARKETING PLAN
Step 1. Win games


Why do we have a Marketing Department then?


Winning just makes marketing easier.  It doesn't replace what should be happening regardless of record.
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Reply #46 on: January 11, 2016, 01:51:50 pm
The difference between us and APP is that we built our stadium the right way - all of our seats are right on the field - no stupid track.

That closed in effect will be even more intimidating when we add upper decks. With a healthy crowd, it will be loud as hell based on the sunken & mostly closed configuration. Awesome home field advantage.

Just another reason I want to expand. But we have to come up with a marketing plan to sell those seats to make it work.

MARKETING PLAN
Step 1. Win games


Why do we have a Marketing Department then?
Do we actually have a marketing department?


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Reply #47 on: January 14, 2016, 03:27:58 pm


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Reply #48 on: January 14, 2016, 03:46:50 pm
Ahh.. forward thinking.


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Reply #49 on: January 14, 2016, 03:49:27 pm
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/education/article_b12def66-a052-11e5-ab5b-9b281fb2a5cb.html




Just saw this, wish we could have a real AD.

Not sure the AD gets credit for stadium expansion here.  Read the article....current stadium seats less than 10K and SunBelt requires min of 15K.  Give credit to the SunBelt for minimum guidelines moreso than the AD for expanding stadium for some conceived or ill conceived notion.
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