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on: August 23, 2013, 11:37:30 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too


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Reply #1 on: August 23, 2013, 11:40:08 pm
What?  Not Beach Volleyball and Women's Mudwrestling?  Do we get to vote on this?
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Reply #2 on: August 24, 2013, 07:56:59 am
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships. 


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Reply #3 on: August 24, 2013, 02:27:43 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.


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Reply #4 on: August 24, 2013, 03:15:07 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.


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Reply #5 on: August 24, 2013, 03:32:32 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.


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Reply #6 on: August 24, 2013, 04:31:54 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.
Once upon a time we had a combination Ticket Manager/Golf Coach.  Back in the 80's I guess.  I do not remember his name.
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Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 04:48:03 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.
Once upon a time we had a combination Ticket Manager/Golf Coach.  Back in the 80's I guess.  I do not remember his name.

Once upon a time we also had a combination Athletics Director/Men's Basketball Coach too. You better remember their names.


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Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 04:51:20 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.
Once upon a time we had a combination Ticket Manager/Golf Coach.  Back in the 80's I guess.  I do not remember his name.

Once upon a time we also had a combination Athletics Director/Men's Basketball Coach too. You better remember their names.
That one I know.
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Reply #9 on: August 24, 2013, 05:37:17 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.


I would think two coaches are ample, but, I am unfamiliar with how their sport is constructed
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Reply #10 on: August 24, 2013, 05:55:41 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.
Yes, I wasn't familiar with the details, but the cost of coaches was something that occurred to me as a possible reason to include golf.That could very well be why its on the list to be considered. Everything comes with pluses and minuses. In any case, I doubt the administration is going to consult me when they make their decisions.  :D


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Reply #11 on: August 24, 2013, 06:06:34 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.


There are three different ways to apply Title IX.  Judy spoke about this at one of the football feasability meetings.  She mentioned that the method we use is the most agressive (ie adds the highest number of female schollies).  Considering her past it doesn't shock me, but how we solve title IX will cost us more than a lot of other schools. 


By the way Title IX is garbage - the % of men wanting to play college sports and the % of women who want to play are not equal, so why should schollies be equal?  I am not saying the reason for Title IX is garbage - just how it is applied.
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Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 08:01:59 pm
By the way Title IX is garbage.................  I am not saying the reason for Title IX is garbage - just how it is applied.

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Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 10:14:45 pm
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too

Sand volleyball is right there neck and neck with women's golf for first add. You would need coaches for either add, although existing coaches could be utilized too since essentially the same sport is already being played.


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Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 10:17:19 pm
Golf is pretty much assured I heard tonight at soccer. Also, as has been posted above, there are different paths to compliance with Title IX, none of which require 85 scholarships.


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Reply #15 on: August 22, 2014, 08:50:01 am
Not really anything new, but confirmation of old news. David Scott has confirmed women's golf will be the first Title IX sport added.


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Reply #16 on: August 22, 2014, 09:19:30 am
By my count, if we were using the full scholarships allowed, before we added football, we had 56.2 scholarship male athletes and 79 scholarship female athletes.



Men's Varsity Sports                   
Scholarship limit per Member School   NCAA I                      
Baseball   11.7   
Basketball - NCAA I is a head count sport   13   
Cross Country - NCAA limits include Track & Field   12.6   
Football - NCAA I FBS - head count sport     85   
Golf   4.5   
Soccer   9.9   
Tennis   4.5   
Track & Field - NCAA limits include Cross Country   12.6


Women's Varsity Sports                   
Scholarship limit per Member School   NCAA I                      
Basketball - NCAA I is a head count sport   15   
Bowling      5   
Cross Country - NCAA limits include Track & Field   18   
Fencing     5      
Equestrian   15   
Field Hockey   12   
Golf   6   
Gymnastics - NCAA I is a head count sport   12   
Ice Hockey   18   
Lacrosse   12   
Rifle - Includes men on co-ed teams   3.6   
Rowing   20   
Rugby   12   
Sand (Beach) Volleyball *   3   
Skiing   7   
Soccer   14   
Softball   12   
Swimming & Diving   14   
Tennis  - NCAA I is a head count sport   8   
Track & Field - NCAA limits include Cross Country   18   
Volleyball  - NCAA I is a head count sport   12   
Water Polo   8      


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Reply #17 on: August 22, 2014, 09:19:36 am
I will buy season tix for sand v-ball & mud wrestling.
 
Yeah, I always wondered why there was no men's Title 9 for home ec, teaching, & nursing classes.
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Reply #18 on: August 22, 2014, 09:32:37 am

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/title-ix-frequently-asked-questions#comply


Q. How does an institution comply with Title IX?


An institution must meet all of the following requirements in order to be in compliance with Title IX:

1.   For participation requirements, institutions officials must meet one of the following three tests. An institution may:
       Provide participation opportunities for women and men that are substantially proportionate to their respective rates of enrollment of full-time undergraduate students;
       Demonstrate a history and continuing practice of program expansion for the underrepresented sex;
       Fully and effectively accommodate the interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex; and,

2.   Female and male student-athletes must receive athletics scholarship dollars proportional to their participation; and,                         

3.   Equal treatment of female and male student-athletes in the eleven provisions as mentioned above.



EDIT:  UNC Charlotte's ratio is: 51% Male, 49% Female
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Reply #19 on: August 23, 2014, 03:23:21 am
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.


There are three different ways to apply Title IX.  Judy spoke about this at one of the football feasability meetings.  She mentioned that the method we use is the most agressive (ie adds the highest number of female schollies).  Considering her past it doesn't shock me, but how we solve title IX will cost us more than a lot of other schools. 


By the way Title IX is garbage - the % of men wanting to play college sports and the % of women who want to play are not equal, so why should schollies be equal?  I am not saying the reason for Title IX is garbage - just how it is applied.

I had no problem with title 9, but I have a problem with all the schools that cut wrestling teams to get compliant. Other sports too if course but I dig wrestling. I'm glad we are not cutting any sports to get compliant.


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Reply #20 on: August 23, 2014, 09:31:57 am
Admin touched on the two-three sports we'll need to add to be title IX compliant. Women's golf was first mentioned. Swimming diving and rowing would be good add as CuSa sponsors all of those too
Need teams with way more members than golf. We have to offset a boat load of football scholarships.

Women's sport with the most scholarships:

Rowing - 20

There's nothing that gets close to 85 football scholarships.
Of course.  All the more reason not to include golf. We may wind up with golf for some other reason, but it won't be to offset many scholarships. I don't think we have to match all 85 football scholarships, by the way. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong on that.

One of the reasons to include Ladies Golf is because you'd only need to hire one additional assistance coach, since our current Golf coach can run the whole show. Every other women's sports we can add will come with several full-time new employees.
Once upon a time we had a combination Ticket Manager/Golf Coach.  Back in the 80's I guess.  I do not remember his name.


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Reply #21 on: August 23, 2014, 09:33:21 am
and a cross country coach that was a librarian


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Reply #22 on: August 27, 2015, 10:33:10 am
Not sure how it is now - but the pool on campus was in decent shape while I was there (not great but good). Seems like swimming might be an easy one to add without too much additional investment.
Isn't Charlotte becoming more of a lacrosse friendly town at the high schools (maybe I am dreaming)? Maybe that would be a good add to get local kids to come to the school.
Golf is definitely easy add. Lower start-up cost than some of them.
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Reply #23 on: August 27, 2015, 10:43:19 am
Swimming has been rules out.  My daughter swam year around and wanted to swim if they started a team, but it has been determine that the pool could not hold meets.  They could use another pool in the area for meets and practice on campus.  SwimMac in Charlotte wanted to partner with them to build a pool for a team and for SwimMac to use as well.  This was done at Queen's and has been a great success, but our AD voted the idea down.


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Reply #24 on: August 27, 2015, 11:02:14 am
Swimming has been rules out.  My daughter swam year around and wanted to swim if they started a team, but it has been determine that the pool could not hold meets.  They could use another pool in the area for meets and practice on campus.  SwimMac in Charlotte wanted to partner with them to build a pool for a team and for SwimMac to use as well.  This was done at Queen's and has been a great success, but our AD voted the idea down.
There's a $66M health and wellness center in the works with "recreational aquatic facilities".  Don't know how much consideration has been given to making that Olympic size, etc. where it could be used competitively.


 

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