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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2010, 12:34:07 pm »

If you're comparing Gasol and Odom to Wade and Bosh then you're crazy.

My comparison was prior to the Lebron and Bosh acquisitions(09-10 season).  It was an explanation as to why Lebron felt the need to move.

Obviously now Miami has to be the favorite for next season.

orlando is not happy.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2010, 12:39:04 pm »
WTF?
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Cavs-owner-Cleveland-fans-don-t-deserve-this-c?urn=nba,254750
 
Superstars change teams all the time.  I understand fans being upset, but owners KNOW this is a business.  What is wrong with Dan Gilbert?
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2010, 02:58:56 pm »


Have the terms of the contract even been released?  Is the $30 mill you're talking about for a 6 year contract in Cleveland vs a 3 year contract in Miami?  From what I understand, he can opt out of his Miami contract after 3 seasons.  Do we even know what Cleveland offered him?

 
Since the Heat traded Beasley and freed up an additional $5 mil (along with the new cap $2 mil higher than previously thought) all three should get close to max contracts. The no state income tax will make up the difference he left behind in Cleveland.
 
I agree with all those posters saying the supporting cast was poor. Just look at the Cavs awful record their last two years (127-37). Terrible.
 
LBJ doesn't need a PG or a C. He needs a f***ing heart. LeBron could not get it done in the playoffs. He quit. Watch the tape. Instead of manning up and getting it done he tucks tail and runs. He takes the easiest way out. He was hyped as the next Jordan (HA!HA! Jordan took the team he had and won championships. He didn't hand pick his team). However, he won't even be the next D Wade because no matter how many titles he wins in Miami, D Wade will have more.
 
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2010, 03:06:41 pm »
WTF?
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Cavs-owner-Cleveland-fans-don-t-deserve-this-c?urn=nba,254750
 
Superstars change teams all the time.  I understand fans being upset, but owners KNOW this is a business.  What is wrong with Dan Gilbert?

This sums up what is wrong very well.
 
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Im taking my talents to South Beach, James said, and it was like time stopped because even for him this was a moment so devoid of reality and free of concern of consequences. South Beach? He wasnt picking a basketball team as much as a party. Hes 25 years old, and yet somehow this felt like a cloistered teenager picking a party school for college.
 
Yes, James will take his talent to South Beach and leave his soul in Cleveland. His hometown wont hate him as much for leaving the Cleveland Cavaliers as for the way he left them. Leaving never wouldve been easy, but he went out of his way to humiliate them. LeBron James can never go home now. Hes the Browns leaving town, The Fumble, The Shot, all rolled into one colossal disappointment.
 
Now, Clevelanders truly see it for themselves: He was a fan of the Cowboys, the Yankees never the Browns and Indians. He was a frontrunner, and he just made the most frontrunner move in the history of the NBA. Off to Miami with Riles, D-Wade and Chris Bosh(notes).
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2010, 03:35:29 pm »
I heard the o/u on wins next year for the heat was 63.  pound the under.

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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2010, 03:39:31 pm »
If Lebron and Bosh simply said, "I went to where I thought was the best fit for me and my family", all of this we have been better received.  Once you prematurely start talking about championships and how money didn't matter, it's not going to be well received.

I think Normmm was probably right all along, we'll be really good next year.

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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2010, 04:19:24 pm »
If Lebron and Bosh simply said, "I went to where I thought was the best fit for me and my family", all of this we have been better received.  Once you prematurely start talking about championships and how money didn't matter, it's not going to be well received.
  Good point.  If  Lebron couldn't take the pressure of expectations in Cleveland, he's really in for a more severe test now.  It will be interesting to see if Lebron can adjust to playing second fiddle to Wade. Not to argue their respective talents, but I have family in Miami and I happen to know that Wade is absolutely adored by Heat fans so if they assume equal roles on the team, Dwayne will still be the favorite. 

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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2010, 05:15:00 pm »
If Lebron and Bosh simply said, "I went to where I thought was the best fit for me and my family", all of this we have been better received.  Once you prematurely start talking about championships and how money didn't matter, it's not going to be well received.
  Good point.  If  Lebron couldn't take the pressure of expectations in Cleveland, he's really in for a more severe test now.  It will be interesting to see if Lebron can adjust to playing second fiddle to Wade. Not to argue their respective talents, but I have family in Miami and I happen to know that Wade is absolutely adored by Heat fans so if they assume equal roles on the team, Dwayne will still be the favorite.

There is no way that D-Wade will be the favorite.  Bosh either.  These guys are second fiddle to LeBron.  Dwyane is great, but he's not LeBron James.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2010, 05:55:44 pm »
If Lebron and Bosh simply said, "I went to where I thought was the best fit for me and my family", all of this we have been better received.  Once you prematurely start talking about championships and how money didn't matter, it's not going to be well received.
  Good point.  If  Lebron couldn't take the pressure of expectations in Cleveland, he's really in for a more severe test now.  It will be interesting to see if Lebron can adjust to playing second fiddle to Wade. Not to argue their respective talents, but I have family in Miami and I happen to know that Wade is absolutely adored by Heat fans so if they assume equal roles on the team, Dwayne will still be the favorite.

There is no way that D-Wade will be the favorite.  Bosh either.  These guys are second fiddle to LeBron.  Dwyane is great, but he's not LeBron James.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2010, 06:01:34 pm »
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2010, 06:06:00 pm »


Have the terms of the contract even been released?  Is the $30 mill you're talking about for a 6 year contract in Cleveland vs a 3 year contract in Miami?  From what I understand, he can opt out of his Miami contract after 3 seasons.  Do we even know what Cleveland offered him?

 
Since the Heat traded Beasley and freed up an additional $5 mil (along with the new cap $2 mil higher than previously thought) all three should get close to max contracts. The no state income tax will make up the difference he left behind in Cleveland.
 
I agree with all those posters saying the supporting cast was poor. Just look at the Cavs awful record their last two years (127-37). Terrible.
 
LBJ doesn't need a PG or a C. He needs a f***ing heart. LeBron could not get it done in the playoffs. He quit. Watch the tape. Instead of manning up and getting it done he tucks tail and runs. He takes the easiest way out. He was hyped as the next Jordan (HA!HA! Jordan took the team he had and won championships. He didn't hand pick his team). However, he won't even be the next D Wade because no matter how many titles he wins in Miami, D Wade will have more.

Some of the drama on the Cavs might have contributed to him laying down..and you know if Delonte West was staying, he was on his way out.  Jordan also had the best defender and the best rebounder in the league with Pippen and Rodman, respectively..he simply could not have done it without them.  Not to downplay his legacy but that's what all the players eventually figure out.  Kobe included..he won the titles with Shaq and then when they had problems thought he could do it himself..took him a while to figure it out after that, but he did.  Personally I think Chicago would have been a much better fit as far as the complimentary pieces that LBJ needs to win a championship.  As has been mentioned before, the Heat now have 3 players..2 superstars, one great player and a bunch of scrubs.  With Chicago he would have had a much better teammate than Bosh in Boozer and a better all around player as far as winning a championship is concerned (PPG tells me nothing).  Same with Rose.  With Rose and Boozer (plus Deng, Noah, and all their other pieces assuming they didnt make another trade), it still would have clearly been LBJ's team and I'm sure Rose and Boozer would have no problem taking a backseat. 

With LBJ though, it seemed more about just being with "better" players, and more importantly, friends.  Since playing in China, these 3 guys (plus CP3...hmm) made a pact and always planned on trying to play together.  I think that altered the decision, because Chicago was the better choice for winning a ring if you're not thinking about joining your friends.  Either way, he stabbed Cleveland in the back, a city which deserves anything but what happened..I mean when LBJ came in the league it was what the city of Cleveland had been waiting for and seemed like their only saving grace..and now they've fell victim to the same thing that's happened to them in seemingly every other sport, multiple times.  They definitely don't deserve this and it was kind of a cop-out in my opinion to not stay and try to truly establish a legacy..but Cleveland didn't do a great job putting the necessary pieces in place.  They tried but again the priority is complimentary pieces, not just getting the 'best' players (Jamison, Mo) or other All-Stars to play with him.  You need gritty veterans and complimentary players who know that the ONLY statistic that matters is being the only team left at the end.  Yes, LBJ may have 'quit' in the playoffs, but what did ANY of his teammates ever do in the first place?  Mo was horribly inconsistent and Jamison literally wasn't even there..even when they were winning.  If he had a Derek Fisher/Robert Horry type on his team..even one of them, instead of a teammate that was screwing his own mother, I'm sure they would have been fine.  Yes, Shaq knows and understands his role, but that role is a very small part of what it would take to win a championship.

Either way, this Heat team is definitely designed to dominate the regular season, I still just don't know if they have enough complimentary pieces.  We shall see.  The power has definitely shifted to the Southeast division though...With John Wall and Gilbert Arenas on the only team that didn't make the playoffs last year.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2010, 06:15:19 pm »
Dude it's South Beach & Cleveland.  What would you do?  He who doesn't like hot chicks cast the 1st stone.
Tropics vs. Artic winds off of Lake Erie.
Dominican women with cinnamon tans vs. Cleveland girls.
 
And who on the Cavs was screwing their mother?  That's just nasty.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2010, 06:24:57 pm »
If Lebron and Bosh simply said, "I went to where I thought was the best fit for me and my family", all of this we have been better received.  Once you prematurely start talking about championships and how money didn't matter, it's not going to be well received.
  Good point.  If  Lebron couldn't take the pressure of expectations in Cleveland, he's really in for a more severe test now.  It will be interesting to see if Lebron can adjust to playing second fiddle to Wade. Not to argue their respective talents, but I have family in Miami and I happen to know that Wade is absolutely adored by Heat fans so if they assume equal roles on the team, Dwayne will still be the favorite.

There is no way that D-Wade will be the favorite.  Bosh either.  These guys are second fiddle to LeBron.  Dwyane is great, but he's not LeBron James.
  "If they assume equal roles on the team"   And they most likely will if both are team players as they are reputed to be. Wade has a few years of community work and good will built up in Miami that Lebron does not. Would it help if I amended my statement to include the words "co-first fiddle"? I just said it would be interesting.  King James may adjust just fine.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2010, 06:30:01 pm »
Dude it's South Beach & Cleveland.  What would you do?  He who doesn't like hot chicks cast the 1st stone.
Tropics vs. Artic winds off of Lake Erie.
Dominican women with cinnamon tans vs. Cleveland girls.
 
And who on the Cavs was screwing their mother?  That's just nasty.
  Have you been to South Beach? I was there once and I will never go back. More flaming gay guys and totally plastic people than hot chicks.  Now if you are talking about Miami as a whole, then you have a point. Don't be ragging on Cleveland girls either.  :)
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« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2010, 06:59:42 pm »
Okay, when I think of South Beach, I think of all the beaches in the Greater Miami Area.  Just like I think of Lincolnton & Statesville as part of Charlotte. 
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« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2010, 08:02:05 pm »
Okay, when I think of South Beach, I think of all the beaches in the Greater Miami Area.  Just like I think of Lincolnton & Statesville as part of Charlotte.
Wow!  Never think of those as part of Charlotte, especially after driving through Lincolnton the other day on the way to spend the afternoon hiking in South Mountain State Park.

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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2010, 09:24:31 am »
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2010, 09:33:58 am »
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« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2010, 10:26:00 am »
LeBron doesn't get "the Secret."
 
And for whoever said Kobe vs Wade and Gasol vs Bosh is a wash... watch some game action.  Hardly.

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« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2010, 10:45:59 am »
Wait until the Knicks have CP3, Carmelo and Amare Stoudamire.  It could happen.
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2010, 11:09:16 am »
A guy signs a contract, lives up to it, never sits out or holds out, takes LESS money to go to a better team/situation and he's the scum of the earth.
 
I don't get it, I really don't.  This is supposed to be America where people are free to work where they choose.  When did that change?
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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2010, 11:42:51 am »
A guy signs a contract, lives up to it, never sits out or holds out, takes LESS money to go to a better team/situation and he's the scum of the earth.
 
I don't get it, I really don't.  This is supposed to be America where people are free to work where they choose.  When did that change?
Haha he is free to work where he chooses, but people are free to give him s*** about it!  :D

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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2010, 11:50:09 am »
LeBron isn't going to care when he has his rings.
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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2010, 12:18:49 pm »
A guy signs a contract, lives up to it, never sits out or holds out, takes LESS money to go to a better team/situation and he's the scum of the earth.
 
I don't get it, I really don't.  This is supposed to be America where people are free to work where they choose.  When did that change?
Haha he is free to work where he chooses, but people are free to give him s*** about it!  :D

Agree- so he is also free to tell those people and the Cavs owner to F### Off, right?
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Re: Cancel the next 5 years of the NBA?
« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2010, 12:24:47 pm »
A guy signs a contract, lives up to it, never sits out or holds out, takes LESS money to go to a better team/situation and he's the scum of the earth.
 
I don't get it, I really don't.  This is supposed to be America where people are free to work where they choose.  When did that change?
Haha he is free to work where he chooses, but people are free to give him s*** about it!  :D

Agree- so he is also free to tell those people and the Cavs owner to F### Off, right?

I JUST said! haha jk

Yes, he is.

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