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on: November 28, 2016, 02:06:36 pm
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Intercollegiate Athletics received a recommended $22 increase, $2 less than their asking price. Their current fee is $802. Athletics had asked to receive a half time sport psychologists, which they argued would be beneficial for student athletes. Athletics had planned to split the cost with Students Health Services, who would have the psychologist for half of the time in the counseling center. Students discussed whether they’d rather see the psychologist in the counseling center full time and voted that Student Health Service raise their proposed increase from $7 to $9, so that the counseling center would not have to share the psychologist with athletics.


The recommended $22 increase for athletics will fund travel support and help the start up of new women’s sports, specifically a women’s golf team.


http://ninertimes.com/2016/11/tuition-and-fees-advisory-board-votes-on-tuiton-increases-for-the-2017-18-academic-years/
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Reply #1 on: November 28, 2016, 02:07:57 pm
Students are getting screwed.


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Reply #2 on: November 28, 2016, 03:17:40 pm
If I was a student paying $824 per semester for this garbage I'd seriously consider transferring.*


*I'm a student who cared about college athletics whilst attending.  Many don't and they probably have no idea they are paying that high of a fee to support Judy Rose's incompetence. 
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Reply #3 on: November 28, 2016, 03:20:11 pm
If I was a student paying $824 per semester for this garbage I'd seriously consider transferring.*


*I'm a student who cared about college athletics whilst attending.  Many don't and they probably have no idea they are paying that high of a fee to support Judy Rose's incompetence.


That averages out to $39 per ticket to the "big" sports (mbb and fball), taking into account 21 home games.  That's more than I pay as a season ticket holder for the same product. 


I realize that that fee funds all sports but outside of being a scholarship athlete in a sport that is not men's basketball or football, nobody looks at Charlotte and says "you know, I really want to go there so I can enjoy their top 25 men's soccer program as a spectator for four years!".
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Reply #4 on: November 28, 2016, 03:26:34 pm
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That averages out to $39 per ticket to the "big" sports (mbb and fball), taking into account 21 home games. That's more than I pay as a season ticket holder for the same product.


Importantly, you get to choose. Students don't.


If you look at our Mission Statement you'll see there's nothing in there about students or winning or providing them a greater college experience. It's very student-athlete centered. Basically it's a very expensive tax that sets out to give a select set of students a series of experiences and advantages that other students don't have without pledging to strive for something in return.


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The mission of the athletic program at The University of North Carolina at Charlotte is to operate within the perspective of the overall educational program of UNC Charlotte. With a balanced program that supports equitable opportunities for all students and staff, the department promotes a total person concept that prepares its student-athletes with the necessary tools to be successful in academic, athletic and social settings. The Department of Athletics supports the highest ideals of sportsmanship and is committed to the highest ethical standards of the University, Conference USA and the National Collegiate Athletic Association.
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Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 03:30:32 pm
It is only a matter of time before some student/student group starts protesting all the money the AD is wasting.


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Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 03:36:29 pm
It is only a matter of time before some student/student group starts protesting all the money the AD is wasting.


And they should! Maybe then Judy can feel some pressure from someone, anyone.


Honestly, as bad as athletics have been/are, I'm sure there is a solid chunk of students who would rather have no sports at all.  I used to make fun of these people but now I can't really blame them.  $824 is not pocket change.  Right now, it is money that they are investing without having the option to back out of this investment (unless they drop out or attend community college) and with absolutely zero return. 
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Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 03:49:03 pm
It is only a matter of time before some student/student group starts protesting all the money the AD is wasting.


And they should! Maybe then Judy can feel some pressure from someone, anyone.


Honestly, as bad as athletics have been/are, I'm sure there is a solid chunk of students who would rather have no sports at all.  I used to make fun of these people but now I can't really blame them.  $824 is not pocket change.  Right now, it is money that they are investing without having the option to back out of this investment (unless they drop out or attend community college) and with absolutely zero return.

This over and over again. I used to tear into these people on campus, but we were just a few years removed from the NCAA tournament and there was a movement for football and all of that optimism. It's all about return on investment, and I don't see it happening right now. Football is young, but if things are like this in 5 years I will bring up - and I wouldn't be surprised if students do the same - whether or not we would be better off as an FCS program.


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Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 04:17:28 pm
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November 28, 2016 at 2:37 pmstudents are continuing to be fleeced by Judy Rose.
$824 a year, for what? No success on any level.
Assuming 4 years of school, 15 year student loan at 6%, that is $28 a month for the next 15 years after graduation.[/size]
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Reply #9 on: November 28, 2016, 04:22:06 pm
clt says that feeding students seems reasonable
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Reply #10 on: November 28, 2016, 04:25:30 pm
problem is, that if the students take up pitchforks on this, they will do something extreme and ask for programs to be disbanded or the entire athletic dept to be shut down.  18-22 year olds (generally) don't really know a lot about nuance and compromise.  They will rage against the machine and we will all suffer for it.


Source - I used to be an 18-22 year old that didn't comprehend nuance and compromise; also, I was in Student Govt and know how those wonks operate and it aint pretty when it comes to things like this.




All that said, students have a right to rebel and they probably should.  Our program is s*** from top to bottom and they are footing the bill because our Athletic Director doesn't believe in growing the donor base unless you want to stroke a $1mil check to get in the club.
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Reply #11 on: November 28, 2016, 07:47:56 pm
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November 28, 2016 at 2:37 pmstudents are continuing to be fleeced by Judy Rose.
$824 a year, for what? No success on any level.
Assuming 4 years of school, 15 year student loan at 6%, that is $28 a month for the next 15 years after graduation.[/size]


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Reply #12 on: November 28, 2016, 08:00:42 pm
As a parent of a current student and a fan, I am not real happy about these increases either.  The problem is that other schools in the state impose them as well so the AD can justify them.  She may even go so far as to say the increases are needed to get us to a competitive position.


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Reply #13 on: November 28, 2016, 09:34:32 pm
clt says that feeding students seems reasonable
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Reply #14 on: November 28, 2016, 10:43:02 pm
Nice to know I'm getting a hike in my student fees for sports that let's be honest not many people really care about.
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Reply #15 on: November 29, 2016, 06:44:30 am
clt says that feeding students seems reasonable
emf ninja-edited the title to make you seem crazier  ;D


clt stands by his statement*






*students also have acccess to a gym.
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Reply #16 on: November 29, 2016, 08:14:30 am
All that said, students have a right to rebel and they probably should.  Our program is s*** from top to bottom and they are footing the bill because our Athletic Director doesn't believe in growing the donor base unless you want to stroke a $1mil check to get in the club.

It's been said before, but I really like Clemson's IPTAY model. Grow the base.

Your comment is awaiting moderation.November 28, 2016 at 2:37 pmstudents are continuing to be fleeced by Judy Rose.
$824 a year, for what? No success on any level.
Assuming 4 years of school, 15 year student loan at 6%, that is $28 a month for the next 15 years after graduation.


Good point and reminds me of student loans as a whole. I think that the student loan debt issue is being underestimated. A lot of people my age and younger aren't as interested in giving or paying for things when their loans are so heavy on their mind. This is not to discount older generations and their loans, but this has become more of an issue as of late and is very present on the minds of young people. I had a discussion with my sister about this yesterday. She graduated first in the architecture school this past May, and even with scholarships and jobs on and off campus she has over $30,000 in debt. We both want to go back to school, attend events, and donate, but it's not a huge priority; and the incentive is not there when the product on the field/court is so poor.



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Reply #17 on: November 29, 2016, 10:03:31 am
All that said, students have a right to rebel and they probably should.  Our program is s*** from top to bottom and they are footing the bill because our Athletic Director doesn't believe in growing the donor base unless you want to stroke a $1mil check to get in the club.

It's been said before, but I really like Clemson's IPTAY model. Grow the base.

Your comment is awaiting moderation.November 28, 2016 at 2:37 pmstudents are continuing to be fleeced by Judy Rose.
$824 a year, for what? No success on any level.
Assuming 4 years of school, 15 year student loan at 6%, that is $28 a month for the next 15 years after graduation.


Good point and reminds me of student loans as a whole. I think that the student loan debt issue is being underestimated. A lot of people my age and younger aren't as interested in giving or paying for things when their loans are so heavy on their mind. This is not to discount older generations and their loans, but this has become more of an issue as of late and is very present on the minds of young people. I had a discussion with my sister about this yesterday. She graduated first in the architecture school this past May, and even with scholarships and jobs on and off campus she has over $30,000 in debt. We both want to go back to school, attend events, and donate, but it's not a huge priority; and the incentive is not there when the product on the field/court is so poor.

Hang in there Ben.  Many people do not start with big salaries right out of college, but for most it pays off nicely.  I am sure I make more than $30 grand a year more than anything else I would have done without a degree, and I was a pretty solid B student with limited ambition.  You will probably do much better.
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Reply #18 on: November 29, 2016, 03:35:11 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.November 28, 2016 at 2:37 pmstudents are continuing to be fleeced by Judy Rose.
$824 a year, for what? No success on any level.
Assuming 4 years of school, 15 year student loan at 6%, that is $28 a month for the next 15 years after graduation.


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Reply #19 on: November 29, 2016, 03:47:52 pm
Another thing to point out about fees - is I have had some recent graduated tell me the reason they don't donate when they graduate is a perception and opinion that they already made their contribution in the excessive fees.  I get that.  You see the bill, lack of success of programs and the loan payment that basically equals a new car payment and why donate to the 49er Club?


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Reply #20 on: November 29, 2016, 07:25:27 pm
The student fees will increase to $824, but they get free tickets so let's do some math.

Football, MBB, Baseball, MSOC, WBB, WSOC, and Volleyball are the only sports that ticket on campus.
6 home football games, 16 home basketball games (includes Newberry), 31 baseball games, 9 MSOC games, 14 Wbb games (doesn't knock out duplicate w/ MBB on opener), 8 WSOC games, 11 volleyball games (only includes guarantee games in tourneys).


95 total events.  Assuming you make all of them, even the ones over break.


$824/95 = $8.67 a ticket.


If you only cared about men's sports, the games drop to 62, and it's $13.29 a ticket.


That's a good deal, right?


Well, lets say you could opt out of the student fee and only wanted to buy tickets to the games YOU wanted to go to. BUT....Let's say you still wanted to go to them all.


You would pay $180 for football season tickets, $165 for green zone MBB, $49 for GA baseball.  Then, for $75 you get MSOC, WSOC, WBB, and VB. (You actually get 4 tickets for that price, but lets assume you have no friends or at lest none that care to go to a WBB game with you.)


So in total, you dropped $469 (a savings of $335 from the fee) to go to the games you wanted to only, but that still happened to be all of them.  So instead of $8.67 a game, you pay $4.94 a game.


Let's say though you only wanted mens games.  You pay the same amount because womens tickets are included in your soccer ticket.  You only go to 62 games, you pay only $7.56 a ticket.


But what if you wanted gold for basketball and a reserved seat for baseball and wanted to go to all the games.  Well, basketball tickets go to $310 and baseball goes to $75.  Your total payment is now $640.00


So you have the best of all seats available to buy, you buy all of them.  You still save $184.

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Reply #21 on: November 29, 2016, 11:53:36 pm
I am not certain, but doesn't this fee also fund intramurals?  I know that not everyone participates in those either, but I didn't do any ballet while I was in school but I helped fund that.
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