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Does Charlotte need a law school?
« on: March 30, 2015, 10:08:48 am »
This gets mentioned periodically on the board, and the numbers in this article make it look like a bad bet.


http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/morning-edition/2015/03/how-north-carolina-law-school-job-placement-rates.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_charlotte+%28Charlotte+Business+Journal%29


What percentage of the grads find employment in J.D.-required postions?


90.8 - Duke
72.5 - UNC-CH
71.8 - Campbell
71.1 - Wake Forest
45.1% Elon
43.7% - Charlotte School of Law
26.0% - NCCU

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2015, 10:11:03 am »
This gets mentioned periodically on the board, and the numbers in this article make it look like a bad bet.


http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/morning-edition/2015/03/how-north-carolina-law-school-job-placement-rates.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_charlotte+%28Charlotte+Business+Journal%29


What percentage of the grads find employment in J.D.-required postions?


90.8 - Duke
72.5 - UNC-CH
71.8 - Campbell
71.1 - Wake Forest
45.1% Elon
43.7% - Charlotte School of Law
26.0% - NCCU


Isn't there where Gonzo from the App board went? Ouch.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2015, 10:15:46 am »
This gets mentioned periodically on the board, and the numbers in this article make it look like a bad bet.


http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/morning-edition/2015/03/how-north-carolina-law-school-job-placement-rates.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_charlotte+%28Charlotte+Business+Journal%29


What percentage of the grads find employment in J.D.-required postions?


90.8 - Duke
72.5 - UNC-CH
71.8 - Campbell
71.1 - Wake Forest
45.1% Elon
43.7% - Charlotte School of Law
26.0% - NCCU


Isn't there where Gonzo from the App board went? Ouch.


Yep.   ;D

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 10:19:32 am »
I would say the answer is yes, Charlotte needs a law school. It doesn't however need the largest school in the state. If they would decrease admissions size, restrict the school to higher quality students, then not only would there be more jobs available per student, but higher quality graduates to take the jobs. It's perpetual. They cannot sustain the model they have now. It's abusive.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2015, 10:20:47 am »
This gets mentioned periodically on the board, and the numbers in this article make it look like a bad bet.


http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/morning-edition/2015/03/how-north-carolina-law-school-job-placement-rates.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_charlotte+%28Charlotte+Business+Journal%29


What percentage of the grads find employment in J.D.-required postions?


90.8 - Duke
72.5 - UNC-CH
71.8 - Campbell
71.1 - Wake Forest
45.1% Elon
43.7% - Charlotte School of Law
26.0% - NCCU



Isn't there where Gonzo from the App board went? Ouch.

So who is going to post this over there?

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 10:22:07 am »
This gets mentioned periodically on the board, and the numbers in this article make it look like a bad bet.


http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/morning-edition/2015/03/how-north-carolina-law-school-job-placement-rates.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_charlotte+%28Charlotte+Business+Journal%29


What percentage of the grads find employment in J.D.-required postions?


90.8 - Duke
72.5 - UNC-CH
71.8 - Campbell
71.1 - Wake Forest
45.1% Elon
43.7% - Charlotte School of Law
26.0% - NCCU



Isn't there where Gonzo from the App board went? Ouch.

So who is going to post this over there?
No need to troll him. The job market will do enough of that when he graduates.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 10:28:19 am »
Short answer, in my mind, is no.


First, I think we'd be better off putting our efforts/money into a med school.


Second, there are too many law school out there, now.  Charlotte has an advantage in being in such a great city, but it would still be lower in the pecking order.


Third,  if the school is determined to have a law school, you're much better off taking over an existing one than trying to create a new one, a la Penn State and Dickinson Law.


One major advantage of having a law school, though, is that you tend to have more politicians over the long haul.  More politicians can mean better treatment at the state level.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2015, 10:42:21 am »
There is a NEED for doctors in the Charlotte region. We NEED a medical school. There is NO NEED for my lawyers.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2015, 10:49:23 am »
There is a NEED for doctors in the Charlotte region. We NEED a medical school. There is NO NEED for my lawyers.

I agree. Medical school is the way to go, especially since the US is going to have to generate more doctors within the next 20 years either internally or through work visas.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2015, 10:51:32 am »
There is a NEED for doctors in the Charlotte region. We NEED a medical school. There is NO NEED for my lawyers.
We have one. UNC said they may even let us participate eventually.  ::)

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2015, 10:53:20 am »
Medical school is the greater need, but it's also very expensive. I don't know how it would be financed with the current revenue model and distribution priorities for the state.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2015, 11:04:13 am »
I would say the answer is yes, Charlotte needs a law school. It doesn't however need the largest school in the state. If they would decrease admissions size, restrict the school to higher quality students, then not only would there be more jobs available per student, but higher quality graduates to take the jobs. It's perpetual. They cannot sustain the model they have now. It's abusive.

While I agree with making sure size doesn't come at the expense of quality, I think being large is their aim to change the funding model. 

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2015, 11:30:06 am »
There was talk of some sort of partnership between us and the Charlotte School of Law a few years ago.  I guess nothing ever came from that?


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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2015, 11:35:59 am »
There was talk of some sort of partnership between us and the Charlotte School of Law a few years ago.  I guess nothing ever came from that?

JD/MBA partnership in place now iirc
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2015, 12:39:18 pm »
There was talk of some sort of partnership between us and the Charlotte School of Law a few years ago.  I guess nothing ever came from that?

JD/MBA partnership in place now iirc
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2015, 12:53:45 pm »
clt says yes.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2015, 02:01:43 pm »
clt says yes.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2015, 02:51:57 pm »
clt says yes.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2015, 03:09:58 pm »
clt says yes.
Mrs Dubois is an attorney, just in case you get a ZUI on the way home from football.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2015, 03:10:51 pm »
clt says yes.
Mrs Dubois is an attorney, just in case you get a ZUI on the way home from football.

clt is above the law.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2015, 06:16:02 pm »
There is a NEED for doctors in the Charlotte region. We NEED a medical school. There is NO NEED for my lawyers.
We have one. UNC-chapel hill said they may even let us participate eventually.  ::)

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 04:35:59 pm »
Charlotte School of Law is not known for quality, so if they go under, we can take them over, but we'd have to clean house as obviously their Professors must suck if no one from CSOL gets a job.
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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 04:39:18 pm »
Charlotte School of Law is not known for quality, so if they go under, we can take them over, but we'd have to clean house as obviously their Professors must suck if no one from CSOL gets a job.
From what I've heard, they actually have a great % of students that pass the bar--better than other, more prestigious, law schools.


The problem is perception matters in hiring.


My former roommate in college was class president. He told me we looked into buying CSOL in the past, but it didn't work out. I forget the reasons why though. I know at the time, CSOL was in bad financial trouble at the time though.

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Re: Does Charlotte need a law school?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 06:38:45 pm »
Charlotte School of Law is not known for quality, so if they go under, we can take them over, but we'd have to clean house as obviously their Professors must suck if no one from CSOL gets a job.
From what I've heard, they actually have a great % of students that pass the bar--better than other, more prestigious, law schools.


The problem is perception matters in hiring.


My former roommate in college was class president. He told me we looked into buying CSOL in the past, but it didn't work out. I forget the reasons why though. I know at the time, CSOL was in bad financial trouble at the time though.

First, bar passage rate is not a good measure of law school quality. Many "lower quality" schools have good passage numbers because they essentially spend three years only teaching you how to pass the bar. Many "high quality" schools teach you how to be a good lawyer/think like a lawyer and leave you to your own devices/bar review courses for the exam.

Second, there would be absolutely no reason to clean house. Just because a school's reputation may not be great doesn't mean they don't have some good (even great) pieces in place.

A big part of Charlotte SoL's problem is that they are so young. No alumni network to help grads out, low citation levels in journals, less money built up, etc. Convincing "high quality" students to give them a shot is tough. It's difficult to get going. This is where affiliation with a larger institution would be beneficial to Charlotte SoL.
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